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Senate: Passed #67 - Military Centralization Act

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Senate Proposal #67
Military Centralization Act

Purpose:

1. For the protection of the Empire and subjects of the Empire.
2. To prevent recurrance of the events like the QIS uprising in YE 26.
3. To solidify the military presence in Yamatai space.
4. To encourage use of the Star Army of Yamatai for protection missions, thus allowing the Empire to have more of a handle on exploration activities.
5. To help enforce Decree 14, Item 1; "Planetary Self-Defense Forces will be integrated into the Star Army."

Proposal:

1. No organization besides the Star Army of Yamatai is permitted to mantain any standing or temporary military force, except for planetary governments, which may maintain standing militaries of their own if they would prefer that to Star Army defense forces. A standing military force is an armed unit or units of personnel whose primary purpose is military in nature. Security forces and escorts are permitted, but should not act as the main force or independently of the main force of a fleet.
2. The Yamatai Space Self-Defense Force will be disbanded and YSSDF personnel will be transferred to the Star Army of Yamatai.
3. Standard (YE 27 type) Fleet size is reduced to 1 division (624 ships) but fleets may include up to 5,000 ships as this limit was introduced in Imperial Decree 14. Planetary defense forces are limited to one fleet of up to 5,000 ships as well.
4. Major Corporations such as Ketsurui Zaibatsu and NovaCorp may not have fleets larger than 500 ships each at any given point, and may not have more than 5 fleets each.
5. All ships belonging to any organization that has two or more starships must be registered as part of a fleet and listed for all to see. Fleet lists should be updated as needed to reflect changes made to them.
6. Item 2 of proposal 14 is revoked, as it is no longer applicable. "Grand Star Army" will no longer be used in any offical capacity and "Star Army of Yamatai" will remain the name of the Yamatai Empire's military.
7. The maximum permitted length, width, or height of any mobile starship or starbase is 25 kilometers unless special permission is obtained from the Star Empire.
8. Escort services will be provided by the Star Army of Yamatai on a very regular basis and on request when appropriate to ensure civilians are protected against threats like the Mishhuvurthyar while in transit.
9. All inter-system ships must have hyperspace/subspace communications abilities. All starships must have basic radio communications capabilities.
10. Should any citizen (or corporation) of the Empire discover a new world with life on it, it is their duty to immediately notify the Yamatai Star Empire of the discovery.
 
Does the limitation of 500 ships include fighters?

Would this make NovaCorp's marine force illegal?
 
(is this BECAUSE I posted about the NCMC? o_O)

Tatiana would second this motion, but there is one thing that troubles us...
What is considered a standing or temporary military force (we assume this means infantry and/or mechanised assault)? security forces would be severely hampered in an attack if there were not permitted to carry heavier weaponry, while pirates or insurgents carry fully automatic assault weaponry.

Also, when the limit on fleets is counted... does the military force count armed personnel on board such fleets? ship based infantry such as boarding parties and marines for example...
 
Zakalwe said:
Does the limitation of 500 ships include fighters?
No, fighters are not included. The numerical limits in this proposal only apply to starships.
Zakalwe said:
Would this make NovaCorp's marine force illegal?
If it fits the definition of "A standing military force is an armed unit or units of personnel whose primary purpose is military in nature," then yes. If the marines are a security force that protects a larger non-military unit, then no.
Rob said:
What is considered a standing or temporary military force (we assume this means infantry and/or mechanised assault)
As stated in the proposal, "a standing military force is an armed unit or units of personnel whose primary purpose is military in nature."
Rob said:
security forces would be severely hampered in an attack if there were not permitted to carry heavier weaponry, while pirates or insurgents carry fully automatic assault weaponry.
That's why there's a Star Army. See Item 8 of the proposal.
Rob said:
Also, when the limit on fleets is counted... does the military force count armed personnel on board such fleets? ship based infantry such as boarding parties and marines for example...
No, the numerical limits in this proposal only apply to starships.
 
No, the numerical limits in this proposal only apply to starships.

I was referring to the military personnel on board the ships. would their weaponry (and/or presence) be restricted by the section against a standing or temporary army?
 
Rob said:
No, the numerical limits in this proposal only apply to starships.
I was referring to the military personnel on board the ships. would their weaponry (and/or presence) be restricted by the section against a standing or temporary army?
If they fit the definition of "A standing military force is an armed unit or units of personnel whose primary purpose is military in nature," then yes. If the personnel are a security force that protects a larger non-military unit, then no. If you're referring to Star Army soldiers on NovaCorp ships, of course the Star Army soldiers wouldn't be restricted by this.

Basically, that part of this bill says that militaries are supposed to work for governments (kind of like they do in the real world). While NovaCorp and other corporations understandably need to be able to protect themselves to a degree, there is already a military there to protect them, and corporations shouldn't be focused on being the ones waging wars (which is what militaries are for, after all).

Remember what happened when the Qel'noran Industrial Sector was allowed to build a large corporate military! There were million of lives lost unnecessarily. Every non-government corporation with a military that I can think of has tried to become its own state. Let's not invite a repeat.
 
Aight.


Tatiana backs this motion.




(note: if NC wanted to form its own state... the edge of the map looks fun right now =p)
 
Rob said:
Tatiana backs this motion.
Sir, have you had a little too much to drink? No motion was made by any of us. This was already pointed out to you once, and you acknowledged it...
 
eeeee....

Nepleslian whiskey....

send me a case when I reach Tatiana again! *twitch*

more hallucinogens than alcohol....
 
Are you going to vote, or just make a fool of yourself on the senate channel?
 
Elysia recognizes the necessity of avoiding repeats of such incidents as the Qel Noran uprising. However, rather than imposing military restrictions of such a dictatorial manner, perhaps we should seek the heart of the problem?

Why did Qel Noran feel the need to rise against Yamatai?

Until such is addressed, Elysia does not support Proposal 67.
 
The senator from Fenyar supports the views of the senetor of Elysia, and backs her decision. I too must vote no.

I believe that it is in the best interest of planets to have a small military of their own. With this in mind, I make a motion to change the bill to propose a limit to planet, or corporation, militaries.

Are there any seconds?
 
Sekisekisekiseki! said:
Elysia recognizes the necessity of avoiding repeats of such incidents as the Qel Noran uprising. However, rather than imposing military restrictions of such a dictatorial manner, perhaps we should seek the heart of the problem?

Why did Qel Noran feel the need to rise against Yamatai?

Until such is addressed, Elysia does not support Proposal 67.
First things first. Just because you don't have the cure for an illness doesn't mean you shouldn't treat the symptoms in the meantime.

We'll look into the uprising's causes and how we can make changes from the Empire's end, but in the meantime, we need this law for everyone's protection. It should've been proposed and passed a long time ago.
Lenwe Veneanar said:
I believe that it is in the best interest of planets to have a small military of their own. With this in mind, I make a motion to change the bill to propose a limit to planet, or corporation, militaries.

Are there any seconds?
The motion is challenged by Hoshi no Iori, because the proposal already allows for that in Item 1.
 
An unchecked military with jurisdiction over such a vast area and population is asking for corruption, and could easily spur further rebellion. What has been proposed does not strike Elysia as a method to treat the systems, but rather as a quick fix attempting to assuage the fears of individuals who wish to have no challenge to their power, anywhere.
 
Hoshi no Iori makes a motion to close.
 
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