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Approved Submission [Corp] Oshima National Industries (ONI)

Arieg

DEFCON Everybody Dies
Submission Type: Corporation
Submission URL: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=wip:asffy

Faction: Independent though somewhat under the sway of the Black Syndicate
FM Approved Yet?: Yes
Faction requires art?: Has a sexy logo imo

For Reviewers:
Contains Unapproved Sub-Articles?: Yes and no the do a lot of the sub-systems with Zen so I linked them to that page.
Contains New art?: Sexy new logo!
Previously Submitted?: Nope

Notes: A small sized manufacturing and design concern with significant Jiyuuian employ.
 
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Could you specifically state that this is a subsidiary of Zen Arms, and reign back some of the bombastic/over-patriotic language? It's cheesy-desu. That aside, does this have your green light @Soresu ?
 
@Wes has, in the recent past, requested that the acronym "ONI" not be used because of its well-known sci-fi connection to Halo.
 
To be honest, I doubt this article is referencing that particular intelligence agency, but the Oni from Japanese folklore instead. If that's the case Arieg, I suggest that the article specifically mention it's main logo being an Oni or something. I know Carnifex had a charging Krogan for its logo, so maybe that, but with an Oni?
 
To be honest, I doubt this article is referencing that particular intelligence agency, but the Oni from Japanese folklore instead. If that's the case Arieg, I suggest that the article specifically mention it's main logo being an Oni or something. I know Carnifex had a charging Krogan for its logo, so maybe that, but with an Oni?
The acronym always references Japanese folklore whether it's related to an intelligence agency or otherwise. What are you trying to pull?

Maybe you should recuse yourself from this conflict of interest, too.
 
That was uncalled for Raz. Unless you have something constructive to say, chill out fam. Let the man do his work.
I'm inclined to foot the bill that Raz stated, even if he's a buttface saying it. There's a pretty clear conflict of interest going on when OI already has something being poked around in setting submissions with this group and now Cadet is handling it.

If it's a subsidiary, should it still also fall under entire domain of the BS/Zen Armaments FM? Nothing stops it from being run by Arieg in the day to day, but this seems like a cheap manner to knock out some "new" corp for an FM tag. We don't have an individual running each independent branch of the various military nor their sub-companies. It seems a bit odd that for one as small as Zen Armaments (compared in scale to NAM, OI, and the various Yamatai-based organizations) that they need to be off-branched for some sort of factional-level asset control.

Unless this isn't the case, but to make my point clear? It's supposed to be a subsidiary and is represented differently in submissions on the board currently.

https://stararmy.com/roleplay-forum/index.php?threads/oni-zen-origin-indigo-class-corvette.52421/ - Here, the company is represented as an equal, third participating company.

https://stararmy.com/roleplay-forum...n-arms-za-gim-3-talon-2-guided-missile.53040/ - But it's not credited here, despite being referenced as involved via its common parts in the wiki?

Which is it? An independent company, where it carries its own name weight, or a branch/genuine subsidiary, where the credit is only between the lines rather than at the header? This seems like a very relevant thing to ask, especially as one of the points raised by Cadet (whether or not he's got a conflict of interest doesn't change that he made the question) was to clarify it being under/serving/"in house" with Zen. And I for one also am curious, especially given how this company is coming out of that system that you got passed in a while ago... yet there's been no further RP to suggest heavy involvement to the point they've no been involved in both the production of new weaponry and co-jointing starships. Especially if it was founded in YE 39. Combining that relatively short length of time with their numbers (which aren't very promising), it's definitely a good thing to figure out just how well versed/independently capable this subsidiary is.
 
That was uncalled for Raz. Unless you have something constructive to say, chill out fam. Let the man do his work.
What was uncalled for? It's commonly known that Cadet has underhandedly attempted to undermine FM authority to promote Arieg's creation of organizations such as the one up for approval now. His quick disposal of advice for the benefit of his crony is proof positive that he should be nowhere near this submission, or any related to Zen/"Jiyuuians."
 
As an NTSE mod, there's nothing wrong with giving advice regarding a submission, especially since that helps move it along. As for the credit as to who developed or built what, I think the usage of it in one thing, but not in another, likely reflects the degree of involvement the company has. If my guess is correct, that would mean that ONI was more involved with the Indigo ship than it was with the missile. Also, I don't think corporations give you an FM tag. I could be wrong though.

Unless there's any other valid concerns, I'll go ahead and approve the article tomorrow morning.
 
I may have no power in this forum anymore, but your manner of speech is almost intolerable. You're flatout attacking a Tech Mod in the forum, where everyone can see. Instead of raising your concerns to the powers that be. Raz, I know you're better than that, don't sink to this level. You know better than I do that there are other means instead of waving the phallic flag high and deciding to do something like this.
Save it, dude. Your concern trolling is blatantly transparent and isn't going to get you anywhere.

Cadet literally tried to bully an FM into accepting submissions related to Zen/Arieg's Neo-Jiyuu, and he shouldn't have the power to review any of the submissions related to it due to the conflict of interest.

Unless there's any other valid concerns, I'll go ahead and approve the article tomorrow morning.
Implying that the concerns raised aren't legitimate doesn't change that things about this need to be fixed. Both Legix and I have raised concerns that are apparently being ignored.

I would like an unbiased setting submissions mod to review this, please.
 
As an NTSE mod, there's nothing wrong with giving advice regarding a submission, especially since that helps move it along. As for the credit as to who developed or built what, I think the usage of it in one thing, but not in another, likely reflects the degree of involvement the company has. If my guess is correct, that would mean that ONI was more involved with the Indigo ship than it was with the missile. Also, I don't think corporations give you an FM tag. I could be wrong though.

Unless there's any other valid concerns, I'll go ahead and approve the article tomorrow morning.
Then how are they able to invoke FM rights on these said corporations? It seems like, at worst, it's an FM position without the banner... but still all the rights. Which could put holes in potential issues down the road that Zen might want to veto. If it's an independent company, it grants it far more submission freedom versus abiding by parent faction (corporation, if you want to be picky... but I still don't see the difference since there's been fighting for "rights" to the Black Syndicate and Zen while some groups like Origin have genuine faction elements) final decision.

So to clarify: nothing stops it from being a corporation. But I think making certain whether this is going to be played like a new faction/corp/"whatever you'd like to classify this as" or it's just a new branch of a faction that already exists.

This concern is valid. Stop trying to avoid it. This greatly changes the capabilities of how assets can be handled OOCly, something of which is a significant concern when this faction is being used to piggyback piece-by-piece a massive arsenal of submissions Arieg was trying to put into a Nepleslia-backed Jiyuu faction. That example is mostly to verify the amount of content that would be getting to the light of day (unless he's already decided it's going to go through, say, another faction) and why this needs to be answered. No one wants some faction being branched just so it can ass-pull an entire fleet's worth of technology in only an IC 2-3 months since the branch/subsidiary even opened. At the very least, I'd prefer it to be part of something like Zen/the Black Syndicate because it'd make a far cleaner example of where this asset draw came from rather when the system colonized and the organization itself has a very "independent" vibe just from a brief reading of the wiki. And the fact that they're a "fully functional national manufacturing concern" (the wiki's own words) isn't a warning flag?

Please stop trying to ignore valid concerns. This has nothing to do with my dislike. I can't speak for Raz, but this is being brushed off when it's an important thing to answer with a faction that went from trying to set-up shop in late YE 38 to "okay, we're already expanding to the point we can back entire nations! Yaaaay!"

I can't be respectful because it's not any fucking ounce of it when someone continues to dismiss my questions and concerns because they're blissfully biased and trying to get it passed to be used for their future faction.
 
Legix, I'm not trying to avoid anything. It's just that big brick posts have a lot of stuff to sort through by nature. Though I do try - I've read your latest post over ten times now - keeping your posts smaller, to the point, and with less run-on sentences, would make it easier for me not to miss your points or concerns. They sort of get lost inside the word sandwiches.

To clarify though, your primary concerns are that 1) ONI can be a separate company, 2) That this is dividing or sub-dividing Zen Arms and 3) it's coming out of nowhere?
 
1: I'd like to figure out whether it is or isn't going to be treated as a separate company. The wording and other submissions give mixed signals on this, including prior corporations/factions that have existed as a baseline for possibilities of how this could be angled.

2: I'd hope it'd be sub-dividing on the majority, as it's considered a subsidiary, so this really isn't a concern. Unless the entire staff was formed via colonists versus promoting/core personnel being transferred, then I guess I'd have a concern with Zen Arms entrusting desperate colonists and potential enemies (based on the system's submission defense of "an enemy of my enemy" being about the only reason Jiyuu colonists were trusted by the Black Syndicate that the corp is based in) with manufacturing plants without the supervision of trusted employees.

3: It's got a single line stating it was partially worked on during YE 38 and then suddenly it was producing various "common components" for high-end production. On top of that, it's supposedly on its way to something greater, as the wiki says. This is part of what you asked to remove, but it'd be nice for it to be whether this is a new and under-prepared branch or some "invest everything" offshoot. So, with that said? This concern isn't really that simple. It's simply wanting clarification for just how well off they are, as the writing has mixed signals on its relative/overall success.

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My post was long (as is this one), but it's really not hard to pick through it. My big brick posts are there because I expect people to be capable of reading more than 6 sentences. Big block or not, it gives you no excuse (when you read articles that tend to be larger than these "bricks" and sometimes with worse separation and formatting) to ignore what they present.

Addressing your personal bias aside, those three points are, for the essence of it, what I asked and have been expanded on. But the way you worded allows it to be answered too shortly and without explanation as they truly deserve. I prefer reasons to be supplied, so I provide longer questions with the hope they'll provide full context and equally warrant a well-thought response. Not someone insulting my "brick posting" and then acting like it's impossible to understand. I think the only ones who would have trouble reading it are simply illiterate or incapable of performing above a 5th grade reading level.

So stop insulting my sentence structure (because it really doesn't matter when some people type responses in broken English or in fragments) and please stay civil so I can stop having to answer your passive-aggressive jabs with basic defensive responses. Because that's how most information gets lost: people refuse to simply answer the questions posed.

I'm also alarmed that the creator hasn't been allowed to come forward and supply an answer to these yet you have rode out to answer and shoot down the input provided by myself and Raz. Of course, Raz is being a buttmunch... but that doesn't change that the concerns raised aren't being answered. Instead, you're coming in and trying to discredit or blatantly deflect them as "invalid". Aren't you supposed to be an NTSE mod? Why are you trying to stiffle concerns (my case) and criticisms (Raz) without even providing an answer, despite calling them invalid? If they were so invalid, they would be easily answered and done so with ample proof or evidence. Instead, it's just always trying to throw mud at someone and then acting like you're any better.

TLDR: Here's a brick. I'm going to dial it down, assuming that the reply to this isn't the same passive-aggressive "insult-smooth over" vibe that the last one had, especially since I just want answers for something that will be impacting the setting soon enough based on the countless things Arieg is working on and has been known to be converting to this company from the defunct Neo-Jiyuu idea.
 
Is the Hades star system canon?
 
@Wes According to this post, the system named Hades was indeed approved as canon by @CadetNewb - though (and I mean no disrespect, Cadet; rather, I'm just trying to play as the "devil's advocate" here) one could also argue that said approval was simply another instance of the "bias" @Legix and @raz are referring to.
 
We cannot keep avoiding one reviewer or another, or call out for bias one reviewer or another, in the way we've been doing.

You have got to trust the NTSE mods to do their job, and they need to talk to each other and call each other out -- privately -- to make sure they are respecting the institution and powers therein.

Unless there's clear, linkable evidence, this calling out has got to stop.
 
After some consideration, I've decided that ONI is an allowable acronym, based on:
  • The term is a generic one since oni is the Japanese word for demon
  • The usage is not the same as the IRL US Navy (or Halo-series UNSC) Office of Naval Intelligence
 
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