Approved Submission [Corp] Oshima National Industries (ONI)

[Arieg]

Submission Type: Corporation
Submission URL: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=wip:asffy

Faction: Independent though somewhat under the sway of the Black Syndicate
FM Approved Yet?: Yes
Faction requires art?: Has a sexy logo imo

For Reviewers:
Contains Unapproved Sub-Articles?: Yes and no the do a lot of the sub-systems with Zen so I linked them to that page.
Contains New art?: Sexy new logo!
Previously Submitted?: Nope

Notes: A small sized manufacturing and design concern with significant Jiyuuian employ.

 

[Legix]

We cannot keep avoiding one reviewer or another, or call out for bias one reviewer or another, in the way we've been doing.

You have got to trust the NTSE mods to do their job, and they need to talk to each other and call each other out -- privately -- to make sure they are respecting the institution and powers therein.

Unless there's clear, linkable evidence, this calling out has got to stop.

I agree, which is why I provided links to my concerns. If you want proof to the conflict of interest, then I'd be willing to ask Wes if there could be some screenshots from certain incidents that back-up this potential conflict of interest. In particular, slandering of another NTSE staff member and insisting to "always go through Cadet". It might not have been in direct relation to this specific corporation, but there is evidence to easily suggest a conflict of interest here. It'd also implicate quite a few other people, however, so I'd rather not have to start posting these screenshots and simply ask that they admit it and simply step down from their "rightful" defensive position.

I call people out when it's due. And in this situation, it's greatly due. So if you want to plead for evidence, then I'll use this chance to make sure @Wes sees this. It would involve roughly 3-4 screenshots submitted to you before hand. If people want to act like this isn't the truth of the matter, that there's clear NTSE bias, then I'll simply give a reality check the likes of which hasn't been seen before.

I don't want drama. I want the NTSE to be trustworthy. So give me a reason to put faith in it. I'd rather not have to share things that would expose some very bad sides of some members that they showed to quite a many other member in a "not so private" chat.

Edit: Honestly, it shows a bad light on more than just these few. Especially as there were many others who have knowledge of this and are blindly ignoring it/not caring that there's clear attempts to bypass proper NTSE vetting. So I hope that this really isn't the route that the accused party intends to follow.

 

[Doshii Jun]

Show them already.

I'm personally tired of these screenshots being used as a veiled threat. If they're so damaging, let the damage be done so the healing can begin.

 

[Alex Hart]

I think to avoid reviewer bias in the future we should force people to rotate articles to review, a sort of lineup. That way we don't get people only reviewing stuff for factions they like, or avoiding factions they dislike.

 

[Arieg]

I agree, which is why I provided links to my concerns. If you want proof to the conflict of interest, then I'd be willing to ask Wes if there could be some screenshots from certain incidents that back-up this potential conflict of interest. In particular, slandering of another NTSE staff member and insisting to "always go through Cadet". It might not have been in direct relation to this specific corporation, but there is evidence to easily suggest a conflict of interest here. It'd also implicate quite a few other people, however, so I'd rather not have to start posting these screenshots and simply ask that they admit it and simply step down from their "rightful" defensive position.

I call people out when it's due. And in this situation, it's greatly due. So if you want to plead for evidence, then I'll use this chance to make sure @Wes sees this. It would involve roughly 3-4 screenshots submitted to you before hand. If people want to act like this isn't the truth of the matter, that there's clear NTSE bias, then I'll simply give a reality check the likes of which hasn't been seen before.

I don't want drama. I want the NTSE to be trustworthy. So give me a reason to put faith in it. I'd rather not have to share things that would expose some very bad sides of some members that they showed to quite a many other member in a "not so private" chat.

Edit: Honestly, it shows a bad light on more than just these few. Especially as there were many others who have knowledge of this and are blindly ignoring it/not caring that there's clear attempts to bypass proper NTSE vetting. So I hope that this really isn't the route that the accused party intends to follow.

If this is what I think it is...... it means not only have you violated site policy because anything that goes on in discord, skype, or PMs is privileged until all involved parties sign off on letting it loose. It also means you've established a hard bias against me and anyone you've posted against in the NTSE involved with projects lined up along alliance lines and that you should no longer be allowed to post in them.

Also said rule, https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=guide:rules#code_of_conduct #8

 

[raz]

Show them already.

I'm personally tired of these screenshots being used as a veiled threat. If they're so damaging, let the damage be done so the healing can begin.

I'm pretty sure you were in the PM chains where Cadet has demonstrated that he should be nowhere near this submission or any related to Zen/Blacks/Neo-Jiyuu due to his literal bullying of a duly appointed FM.

Stop encouraging deviousness. It isn't right for Cadet to review this, or anything that is remotely related to the upcoming BS Alliance.

 

[Doshii Jun]

I'm encouraging the opposite. If we're going to threaten people with screenshots and other evidence, let's see it. Let's be transparent and honest.

Legix is working on that, so I'm happy to wait.

 

[raz]

I'm encouraging the opposite. If we're going to threaten people with screenshots and other evidence, let's see it. Let's be transparent and honest.

Legix is working on that, so I'm happy to wait.

I mean, that's what you say. But I know you know what I'm talking about. Regardless of whether any proof of Cadet's bias is provided, arguing against something you know to be true is devious and unhealthy for the community.

 

[Doshii Jun]

You're reading too much into it, but that's on you.

I'm tired of the threats. Now's as good a time as any. Chips will fall where they belong.

 

[Ametheliana]

I think the PM chains and Skype messages where certain players were bullied and where Cadet may have exemplified an ineptitude to be an unbiased member of the review team when it comes to AotBS stuff (which is not up to my discretion, that is up to Wes and the community at large to decide if that is the case). The bullied players in question do not have screenshots of them to share. The player that was bullied is and was incredibly hurt and shocked by the treatment they endured and are not willing to go over it again. It is not the victim's responsibility to punish the perpetrators of unjustifiable actions.

Certain members of this discussion are making it seem as if they are looking for more drama. Personally, I feel like this does not need to be talked about any further in this thread. Some people were really awful to other players. The players that were treated poorly are willing to move on with their lives on SARP. Bringing it up over and over again not only wounds the site further, but it wounds the players on a personal level.

There needs to be a joint PM between staff and mods and they need to talk about it or there needs to be a thread about this matter of Cadet reviewing anything that has to do with AotBS. I would like to know which option the community and Wes would like to see happen, but I'm willing to facilitate either, though it would be nice if Wes could facilitate either one, instead, as he is in a better position to do so.

Before it's put into question whether or not Arieg's submissions should be seen as one in the same with AotBS stuff, I'd like to point out that Arieg posted his new setup in chat.

Center screen is of the utmost importance:
http://i.imgur.com/2GE2Tb7.jpg

Close up:
http://i.imgur.com/YbrHcCn.jpg

 

[CadetNewb]

Alight, I see where this is going.

Arieg's already made it clear to us that we can't use anything in the Hades system. That means we can't take it over and use it as a launching point for a new Galactic Empire or something like that. The reason for this though, is pretty simple; it's all Zen's stuff, and frankly, they won't sell to us if we grab up their major production facility and such. Out of character, Arieg built it for himself, and it's his. For those of you who are new though, Arieg often builds corporations, PMCs, entire new factions and the like simply because he enjoys making them. He likes to build, regardless of whether or not they stand or just crumble away. Take Paragon for an example, a PMC complete with its own production facilities, asteroid bases and the like. With that in mind, that's what I stepped into to review.

Just another one of Arieg's projects, but this time supervised by Soresu, with the hope that it'd actually contribute something to the setting rather than staying in its own isolated sandbox and never see the light of day.

 

[raz]

it's all Zen's stuff

Zen falls under the purview of Nepleslian FMs and your suggestion now, as well as past attempts to assert otherwise via private bullying, proves why you shouldn't review this stuff. It's a core part of the Nepleslian setting, dude.

 

[CadetNewb]

In the end of the day, Zen is still run by Soresu, who is protected by his player rights. As I understand, this means that the influence that the Nepleslian FM has over Zen is very limited, and in turn, the owner of Zen can't rock the boat and do anything that would directly influence Nepleslia. As far as I was concerned, this article was purely a Zen issue.

 

[raz]

Soresu didn't create Zen and, as far as any information searchable on the wiki or forum, has never actually done anything with the company other than say "lol I own it."

As far as I was concerned, this article was purely a Zen issue.

And that's why you shouldn't review it. You believe certain, obviously biased things and will approve anything your cronies put up for review, regardless of their quality or if what they're doing is allowed.

 

[Wes]

ADMIN WARNING: Any further posts that do not relate to the merit of the submission, and ONLY the merit of the submission, will result in a ban from this discussion. I don't to see any more of this politics/meta stuff in this thread.

 

[Arieg]

1: I'd like to figure out whether it is or isn't going to be treated as a separate company. The wording and other submissions give mixed signals on this, including prior corporations/factions that have existed as a baseline for possibilities of how this could be angled.

2: I'd hope it'd be sub-dividing on the majority, as it's considered a subsidiary, so this really isn't a concern. Unless the entire staff was formed via colonists versus promoting/core personnel being transferred, then I guess I'd have a concern with Zen Arms entrusting desperate colonists and potential enemies (based on the system's submission defense of "an enemy of my enemy" being about the only reason Jiyuu colonists were trusted by the Black Syndicate that the corp is based in) with manufacturing plants without the supervision of trusted employees.

3: It's got a single line stating it was partially worked on during YE 38 and then suddenly it was producing various "common components" for high-end production. On top of that, it's supposedly on its way to something greater, as the wiki says. This is part of what you asked to remove, but it'd be nice for it to be whether this is a new and under-prepared branch or some "invest everything" offshoot. So, with that said? This concern isn't really that simple. It's simply wanting clarification for just how well off they are, as the writing has mixed signals on its relative/overall success.

@Legix

Number one, its effectively a subsidiary company deeply tied to Zen Armaments through various links from supply, to contracts, to the fact their homeworld is in a Syndicate controlled system. Out of character its a justification for Jiyuuian style designs to appear in the ZA arsenal with an ease of explanation and control wise I can't make them jump without an OK from Soresu.

Number two they're effectively free to do whatever they wish within the boundaries of their agreement with Zen Armaments (IE no making a fleet and taking over the system), Zen Arms and the Syndicate will continue to send assets, materials, money, and whatever else the Jiyuuians may need without interference as long as design documents, templates, and innovations keep flowing back.

Number three, or rather my best guess on what you've asked, their present status is this; the infrastructure or at least the first leg of it has been built. The initial low rate self production of their components is also starting up, and all related templates for these have gone bounding off to a very happy Zen Arms. Their feet are firmly planted on the ground and they're about to begin low rate production of their own ships (a mutation on the Indigo hullform). They're still a spec on the wall faction wise but the engine is now warmed up and I intend to push them forward.

 

[CadetNewb]

This review is for: Oshima National Industries

The submitted article is/has…
[X] A very high level of overall quality
[X] A general topic sentence under the title header
[X} Artwork
[X] Needed and/or useful to the setting
[X] In the proper format/template
[X] Proofread for spelling and grammar
[X] Easy to read and understand
[X] Wikified
[X] No red and/or broken links
[X] Reasonably scientifically plausible
[X] Reasonably neutral point of view

The submitted article is/does not…
[X] Overpowered
[X] Obtusely redundant
[X] Contain copy pasta descriptions of systems or interior compartments
[X] Unauthorized by faction managers or player-controlled corporation
[X] Contain references to IC events that have not occurred
[X] Use second-person language (“you” or “your”) unless it is an instructional guide aimed at players.
[X] Use bombastic language
[X] Use an unbalanced header/text ratio (many headers but sections are one-liners)
[X] Use major unapproved sub-articles that should be submitted separately
[X] Lacking Detail
[X] Images hosted on sites other than stararmy.com (Photobucket, Imageshack, etc are not allowed)

The article has…
[X] Speeds in compliance with the Starship Speed Standard, if applicable
[X] Damage Capacity and Damage Ratings in compliance with the DR Guidelines
[X] The in-character year of creation/manufacture.
[X] The Standard Product Nomenclature System, if applicable.

_______________________________________________________________________________

Since things have finally quieted down properly, I'll go ahead and approve this tomorrow morning if there aren't any objections.

 

[CadetNewb]

APPROVED

 

[Wes]

This article does not meet the wiki style guidelines because it has sections which do not contain any normal prose (text). This is because much of the content is presented in bulleted unordered lists.

The article needs to be updated to meet the style guidelines.