Corporations Overhaul

[FrostJaeger]

• Submission Type: OOC Article...?
• Template Used: N/A
• Submission WIP URL: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=wip:corp
• Submission Destination URL: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=corp
• Original Article URL: N/A

• Faction:
  • Yamatai Star Empire
  • Democratic Imperium of Nepleslia
  • Abwehran Star Empire
  • Azorean Commonwealth
  • Interstellar Kingdom of Kuvexia
  • Iromakuanhe Astral Commonwealth
  • Kingdom of Neshaten
  • Uso’s Star Organization
• FM Approved Yet? No.
  • @Wes - Yamatai Star Empire/Azorean Commonwealth/Interstellar Kingdom of Kuvexia
  • @Legix - Democratic Imperium of Nepleslia
  • @Syaoran - Abwehran Star Empire
  • @Soresu - Iromakuanhe Astral Commonwealth
  • @Kyle - Kingdom of Neshaten
  • @Zack - Uso’s Star Organization
• Faction Requires Art? No idea.

For Reviewers:

• Contains Unapproved Sub-Articles? No.
• Contains Links to Unapproved Articles? Yes, the Corporate Buildup Limitations.
• Contains New Art? No.
• Changelog: N/A
• Checklist Requested? Yes.

Edit: Could this be moved to the Setting Discussion forum, please? I realized about five seconds after posting that I’d posted this in the wrong place. >.<

 

[FrostJaeger]

Wes said here that you weren’t in charge, @CadetNewb.

 

[CadetNewb]

Is this the case @Wes ? And if so, what are my rights as one of it's founders?

 

[Syaoran]

That may be your opinion, but IIRC SARP's rules allow unfinished submissions to be submitted, and they also allow changes to be made based on community feedback in the submission thread.

I don't mean before submitting Wes. I'm talking about getting approval, because if you get approval for 1 person then change something you have to ask for approval again. And then you end up with having to constantly ask for re approval every change until it's done and it annoys everyone who has to keep coming back.

 

[FrostJaeger]

Is this the case @Wes ? And if so, what are my rights as one of it's founders?

To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t any “Creator Rights” or “Founder Rights” on the wiki, @CadetNewb.

 

[Kyle]

To the best of my knowledge, there aren’t any “Creator Rights” or “Founder Rights” on the wiki, @CadetNewb.

This is true to an extent. Origin was considered a faction at one point, and we do have rules that allow the faction's creator to decide who has control over the faction when they leave and frankly Kai put Cadette in charge of Origin. Yes, I understand the situation that happened with Cadette but I don't think that should be used to go against Kai's wishes when the man still trusts Cadette with the overall running of Origin.

 

[Bullroarer]

By this metric, are all current independent corporation and planets going to need to find a faction banner to reside under?

 

[Kyle]

By this metric, are all current independent corporation and planets going to need to find a faction banner to reside under?

If I understand Wes correctly, this is the intent yes.

 

[Zack]

Which is a big reason why I dislike these new rules. We can already use what we have to manage independent plots and corps.

Or we can go through and have to write/enforce rules for every type and instance of RP on the site.

Grouping NPC corps under factions to add another layer of burden is no help either, since no one is going to want to ask permission just to include a Hanako Taco Stand in their RP.

 

[FrostJaeger]

As Kyle already pointed out here, @Zack, those “rules” are no longer being included in this submission.

 

[Zack]

Looks like the rules have been cut down, but a ton of NPC corps are now owned by someone, and they can still disrupt your RP by making GM you check in each time you want to use Admiral Davis’s fish sticks in RP.

 

[CadetNewb]

Yes, this is a major source of contention for me; that Origin is being listed as being owned by someone other than myself or Kai. It also makes me call into question just what EXACTLY @Wes stance is on this, and our rights as creators, as that will determine what is done next.

 

[Bullroarer]

I too have concerns, as an independent content creator, as to what myself and other independent creators, as well as international corporations, such as Akemi's can look forward to. Are we to expect RP tariffs and sanctions, or some other U.N. oversight?

 

[FrostJaeger]

There is nothing in the article that permits someone to “disrupt your RP by making GM you check in each time you want to use [a company] in RP,” @Zack.

@Wes - apologies for the late notice, but I’ve implemented the changes you requested here as best as I could.

 

[Kyle]

I too have concerns, as an independent content creator, as to what myself and other independent creators, as well as international corporations, such as Akemi's can look forward to. Are we to expect RP tariffs and sanctions, or some other U.N. oversight?

I think that would depend on the faction. Currently the Neshaten don't have sanctions against their Trade Families, but tariffs are something that would be imposed on any company importing or exporting. As far as UN oversight, not sure I follow on that. (The Neshies do have a citizens oversight commitee which ensures that all Trade Families are following the law and not doing anything reckless.

 

[club24]

Alright chill out dudes, let's not go jumping to hasty conclusions and accusations.

When wes mentioned wanting to have every corp under a faction he didn't say they'd stop being independent, my company Galactic Horizon and eth's IIS are both independent but under banners of uso and yamatai respectively. This has not changed the way i rp with them, hasn't put limitations on what i can create and hasn't stopped me from interacting with anyone.

I can understand why you'd be concerned trust me, I'm a creator too and as labeled independent I'd like to stay that way, all I'm trying to get across is, I don't think wes wants to restrict your corps to just the faction but rather wants to ensure we don't have needless microfactions popping up as a result, considering he stated in the meetings earlier this year there is a restriction on new factions for the time being.

Of course this is my interpretation but if you don't see it that way, at least stop hounding the man for one line he said and wait until he can give a more detailed responce, a little waiting wont kill any of you and it seems like a skill we could all use a bit more of.

 

[Syaoran]

Being under a faction does not mean being 'owned' by anyone different. Put your tinfoil hats away. It's getting very difficult not to say anything rude to you guys when you just constantly put words in people's mouths. Does America 'own' Ford? No, but is Ford an "American Company"? Yes. Because Ford is based in America and complies to American laws and taxes.

Since we don't have taxes in this RP, if anyting being listed as under a faction is nothing but a protection for a company unless you're trying to do something that probably shouldn't be allowed anyway. If you're under a faction and then say another company steals your stuff, then the faction you're under can take action. If you're totally independent then there is no one to back you up. Do you guys even think before you complain?

 

[Wes]

I guess a realistic solution (as in taken from IRL law) would be to have the factions issue business licenses. A corp could be licensed in multiple factions. A license could be revoked if the corp is engaging in activities that violate the issuing nation's laws. Unlicensed businesses couldn't legally sell stuff or operate in the nations that don't want them there.

 

[Legix]

I guess a realistic solution (as in taken from IRL law) would be to have the factions issue business licenses. A corp could be licensed in multiple factions. A license could be revoked if the corp is engaging in activities that violate the issuing nation's laws. Unlicensed businesses couldn't legally sell stuff or operate in the nations that don't want them there.

I like the idea of this, but it does pose a problem as to what happens with frontier businesses that might end up breaking regulations and/or refusing to work with someone. A good example would be if Ken-TEC were to go out to the Colonial Expanse and start working with non-aligned planets (which do exist within the setting), but then started breaking laws that would warrant expulsion from Nepleslia. But if they didn't want to work/gain a license from any other faction, it does create a problematic thing.

The complete removal of independent possibility is good for the sake of ensuring no companies pulls and Origin and has all its plots/creators basically stop RPing/creating, but it does create problems for independent scenarios that might provide interesting RP in the cases that people don't abandon their corporations. It's not a bad way to point how this basically works, though, that corporations get licensed. Just need to figure out if we really want to essentially cripple the idea of a nation going completely rogue and off the rails if their creators are active and can make a non-affiliated/non-licensed vendor.

 

[Kyle]

I guess a realistic solution (as in taken from IRL law) would be to have the factions issue business licenses. A corp could be licensed in multiple factions. A license could be revoked if the corp is engaging in activities that violate the issuing nation's laws. Unlicensed businesses couldn't legally sell stuff or operate in the nations that don't want them there.

Interesting that you say that, this is already done with the Neshies. Although do bare in mind that corporations can be rather sneaky and hide their illicit business (there's a Neshie corp doing that right now, but no one yet is aware of this)

I like the idea of this, but it does pose a problem as to what happens with frontier businesses that might end up breaking regulations and/or refusing to work with someone. A good example would be if Ken-TEC were to go out to the Colonial Expanse and start working with non-aligned planets (which do exist within the setting), but then started breaking laws that would warrant expulsion from Nepleslia. But if they didn't want to work/gain a license from any other faction, it does create a problematic thing.

The complete removal of independent possibility is good for the sake of ensuring no companies pulls and Origin and has all its plots/creators basically stop RPing/creating, but it does create problems for independent scenarios that might provide interesting RP in the cases that people don't abandon their corporations. It's not a bad way to point how this basically works, though, that corporations get licensed. Just need to figure out if we really want to essentially cripple the idea of a nation going completely rogue and off the rails if their creators are active and can make a non-affiliated/non-licensed vendor.

I feel something like this actually creates the potential for RP and would actually be a good thing, as it would create scenario's for players to take part of. However, for the sake of things, probably would still be best to be listed under a faction.

 

[Legix]

Interesting that you say that, this is already done with the Neshies. Although do bare in mind that corporations can be rather sneaky and hide their illicit business (there's a Neshie corp doing that right now, but no one yet is aware of this)



I feel something like this actually creates the potential for RP and would actually be a good thing, as it would create scenario's for players to take part of. However, for the sake of things, probably would still be best to be listed under a faction.

That's my point. The idea suggested for licenses is definitely a hard decision. While the RP is there, it almost never happens from what I've seen and doesn't have much more reason than it CAN be good RP as to why we wouldn't take the fastest route of categorizing every company.