Rejected Submission Makter's Emporium and Customizations

[Kayto Styles]

EMP Pistol
Weight: 2lb Oz
Barrel Length: 6"
Overall Length: 8.9"
Finish: Powder Coat (Grey or Black)
Sights: 3-dot, Fully adjustable rear sight (Windage and Elevation adjustable)
Energy Cell: Standard 10 shot recharge period
Energy Cell Weight: 1lb

The EMP/(Electro Magnetic Pulse) Pistol or EMP P fire's a electronic detonator by means of magnetically charging and launching the bead at 450fps. Upon impact the micro detonator releases an electro magnetic pulse which spreads to a 7 foot radius taking down any electronics that haven't been encased in a lead barrier. The standard Energy Cell lasts for 10 shot before needing to be completely recharged which takes up to 10 hours. The cell has an over heating problem if fired in succession (3 shots 4 if lucky) that will cause the weapon to malfunction and perhaps back fire frying the weapon and the users hand along with it. The barrel length is a bit long but renders a more stable shot with the added weight in the butt from the energy cell. All in all if you want to stop enemy electronics such as their implants and radio communication this is a great tool of the trade. Also comes with an extended belt holster to compensate for it's length.

Robotic Arm Exo-Skeletal Enhancement (RAESE)

Built to encase an arm in synapse recognizers that control the exo-skeleton to operate accordingly. Used widely in construction sites in pair's to do heavy lifting and precise bending these baby's can enhance the physical strength of each arm by ten fold. Though the slight bulk of the arm causes reaction time delay to lift it on command these thing's are built to take a beating. Nothing sharp can pierce through this shell unless there is extreme force put behind it. It may even be able to deflect a bullet or two but why on earth are you wearing one of these thing's if your being shot at? Ditch it and run!

Customized Item's list

Extended .45 ACP HP clip: Allows to hold up to 20 rounds in one clip. The clip is curled under the trigger grip to keep the balance as much as possible but it don't help too much.

EMP Cell Recharge Adapter: Allows the user to hook up his Energy cell to a power source for a recharge.

Computer Integration: Puts a built in keyboard mini LSD screen into the RAESE but will need a power source to run properly.

VR Flip down Eye Screen: A small red tinted glass that covers one eye. This projects an image directly into the eye so only the user can see whatever he has it plugged into. Can be flipped up out of the way at any given moment.

EMP Detonator Beads: These are inserted into the right side of the barrel just above the trigger. EMP P can hold up to 3 recharge worth of beads at a time but it's always good to keep it well stocked because you don't want to forget to reload in the heat of battle.

(More may come later)

 

[Wes]

Wes who just ends up sitting off to the side and ignoring it all

I'm not ignoring it.

Zack's been nice enough to design you an EMP weapon for your character to use, man, and there's .45s available too...

 

[Jadg Wolf]

I find it funny that Zack was basically being the civil one, and Kayto was the stubborn one who wouldn't change anything and took offense at Zack's criticism. But the issue is apparently done with.

 

[Kayto Styles]

I'm not ignoring it.

Zack's been nice enough to design you an EMP weapon for your character to use, man, and there's .45s available too...

You let him run his course of trying to explain how it don't work even though most of everything that was written in the firing descriptions that I write over and over again even down to how a trigger works....

I find it funny that Zack was basically being the civil one, and Kayto was the stubborn one who wouldn't change anything and took offense at Zack's criticism. But the issue is apparently done with.

Civil I bet.

Didn't change a thing? I kept changing or adding to it's design that you could basically cut the dam gun in half and see what it looked like.

His Radio Waves wouldn't have the same effect because EMP spreads to it's target discharge area in a nanosecond while a Radio frequency would have to be a beam of radio Waves for a few seconds to have the desired effect. Sure they both knock out electronics but a small EMP pulse would be more effective.

Let's see you disprove the working's of my gun. let see you get a hold of some nano's to make the bead and however far you need to be technically advanced to make space ship's with whatever weaponry you've made for it and put that knowledge of any or all your races and tell me that something like the weapon I've designed is in no way plausible.

But whatever done I'd rather not deal with you guy's forcing me to make a character that isn't me.

 

[Zack]

None of your weapon stats have been changed.

Your added discriptions later weren't added to the original stats nor were they feasable.

His Radio Waves wouldn't have the same effect because EMP spreads to it's target discharge area in a nanosecond while a Radio frequency would have to be a beam of radio Waves for a few seconds to have the desired effect. Sure they both knock out electronics but a small EMP pulse would be more effective.

HERF weapons are actually just as effective as an EMP pulse with the added effect of being more controlable and requireing less energy to produce when compared to an EMP field of the same size/shape/effect.

Let's see you disprove the working's of my gun.

We have already given the reasons why the gun does not work. Your firing mechanisum would not actually fire the projectile effectively nor would your projectile be able to generate any EMP field that would be harmful to electronics. I mean, my pencil sharpener would generate a larger EMP field simply by sheer mass and it isn't threatening anything.

Your weapon still needs to be improved, the fireing mechaniusm can be left as is although it won't be generating the kind of force needed to perice anything more than cardboard. The projectile itself also needs to be reworked for the reasons I've listed previously.

 

[Kayto Styles]

We have already given the reasons why the gun does not work. Your firing mechanism would not actually fire the projectile effectively nor would your projectile be able to generate any EMP field that would be harmful to electronics. I mean, my pencil sharpener would generate a larger EMP field simply by sheer mass and it isn't threatening anything.

You say it don't work Military web sites like the one i offered says it does work and is used to accelerator a rail gun's projectile.

Your pencil sharpeners not run by nanite's.

It's over why would I continue to tweak the weapon to fit something you can cope with when I won't be RPing? I'll just stick to my aim and leave it at that. You can still voice your argument's all you like I'll gladly argue my side of it. It's just two stubborn people in one area isn't a very smart set up because your basically asking me to describe the working's of nano's and what they are possible of generating when nothing in the real world exists like that to give valid information on.

You have plasma fusion reactor space craft flying around and what not and you can tell me a bead the size of a marble can't some how cause enough kinetic energy to make a 4' sphere EMP pulse if some engineer put their mind to it? What ever you win I'm gone whatever the weapon don't exist my character invalid least Tyler likes me.

 

[Wes]

What ever you win I'm gone whatever the weapon don't exist my character invalid least Tyler likes me.

Your characer was approved. The items he has or doesn't have aren't vital...stop stressing them.

 

[Kayto Styles]

It's the fact that something so simply designed is tested so harshly till it seems that it will work in the real world. Whats so hard to believe that in some way a bead would be magnetically fired and said bead (Like explosive tip bullets) Causes a kinetic burst which is sufficient amount of Energy to make a small EMP. If i have to put everything in real standards I want to know how the power supply to every energy weapon is wired, put together, and how it's power is distributed into making the pulse. I want to be able to take it apart and use its power supply to maybe power a pencil sharpener or an electric tooth brush. I want to know how there barrels resist the heat of the plasma that passes through them if it's an automatic I mean heat resistant metal only goes so far and I'm sure if used long enough the rifle would heat up enough to be unbearable to hold.

I try and make a civilian without any defense from the harsh environment of the world besides the ability to gather knowledge unlike most people. Later on I was probably get enhancements to the brain to attach circuitry to the Frontal lobe and Temporal lobe to enhance memory and information processing and also a port jack in the back of his head to register thought processes into a computer faster which downside would have been that each time he'd use it he risked being fried by sentients. I'm giving up now so I don't have to put up with the interrogation every time I try and get these ideas approved.

 

[Zack]

I hate to break it to you but two magnets being pulled apart is not the same thing as a rail gun.

 

[Kayto Styles]

your ignoring every other fact that i'm pointing out almost as if your just talking to up your post count....

 

[Wes]

I'm giving up now so I don't have to put up with the interrogation every time I try and get these ideas approved.

Most of the time, things get approved effortlessly here.

said bead (Like explosive tip bullets) Causes a kinetic burst which is sufficient amount of Energy to make a small EMP

This, however, is where I don't see how it works.

 

[Kayto Styles]

think of it as a tiny explosive like explosive tip bullets except instead of a chemical explosion it's an electrical explosion which would cause the required effect of an EMP.

EMP's can be the result of a nuclear bomb detonation now imagine that a nuke has been refined to a smaller state and the radiation is drop to tolerable level. Nukes already in present day are becoming smaller in scale and in Starship Troopers they had mini rocket nukes they carried on their backs so I mean with the help of tiny robots i don't see why they they couldn't create a small enough EM Generator that would provide that small of an EMP Just think of the bead as an Electric magnet device itself and when the metal is displaced inward it triggers the electric magnets power core which drains all of its power in one brief instant thus the pulse. This way the EMP loses none of it's power during travel time to the target. Uso's Radio frequency guns pulse dulls out the farther it travels from the barrel mine puts all of its energy in one single spot where it's triggered. If nothing else the small explosion the bead causes would knock some one back a step ((Less you got em right in the mouth)).

So to recap.

Magnetic launching
Marble size metal coated Electro Magnet(EM)
Displacement of Metal coating results in softball size detonation
Detonation provides the kinetic energy required to power the EM
EM Releases A Magnetic Pulse (A pulse would mean heart beat Expands to it's designated size of 4 feet then retracts into nothing all within a nanosecond)

The gun's power cell is used when the trigger of the gun is pulled.
The cell sends 1/10th of its energy (Which is a decent amount I'll look into voltage later) to feed through the coiled wires of the conductive metal in the top and bottom of the barrel to cause a magnetic pressure that flows through each bar at different directions (Top bar the "Lead" flows back to front. Bottom the "Drive" flows front to back.)

The point where both bars are magnetized at the same location is where the bead is stored and the lead starts it off in the direction that is required to escape the force of the pinched magnetic area its settled in.

I stress my gear because this is what makes my character mine I'll rarely ever conform to other peoples idea's of being. I prefer uniqueness over anything else and besides most of your plasma gun's and especially the EMP type gun that Uso drew look fruity and ugly but since pretty much all your guys are playing chicks it don't matter to you to carry around a fruity looking thing that resembles one of K-Marts laser tag guns.

 

[Zack]

First off, this wouldn't be an electrical explotion it would be a magnetic explotion. If this gave off a burst of electricity it would be like a taser.

Now imagine that it is physically impossible to make a nuke of this size. You can't have a nuke that is the size of a BB because it is way below the minimum ammount of material needed to create the blast. You also could not compress nuclear material to that size, that would simply trigger the nuclear blast upon compression. Nuclear weapons have nothing to do with your weapon.

A small EM generator is just that, A small EM generator. My pencil sharpener is a small EM generator because of its large rotating metal grinders but when you scale that down the energy needs to generate the same size field go up massively. The problem is how do you store the energy required to do this? With a bead the size your talking about your going to need some serious power to put out a dangerous EMP blast, espectially sense your using straight EMP. There isn't a power generator small enough to fit inside the bead unless you are using anti-matter and YMA cloth, both of which are extremely hard to get for a civillian. A capasitor (Which is probably what you mean instead of power core anyways) of that size would bearly hold any charge simply because of its size. Even with all the tech on this board a nanosized capasitor that can generate a large EMP field is a bit far fetched.

This projectile would hardly knock someone back a step at the speeds your talking about. Sure it is firing a bit hot for a paintball round but it isn't going to leave anything more than a bruse on a normal person wearing clothing and probably give minor cuts to exposed flesh. EMP also does not affect humans, or at least not in the way your thinking of.

And in defense of my weapon the ranges listed are maximum effective ranges. The HERF does not need to waste energy projecting a field effect so its attack is a lot more concintrated than an EMP at the same energy level. Energy weapons also don't have to worry about gravity which is present in most starships, not just planets. This means the weapon will have a higher range than your paintball gun in the atmosphere. Even if you were to hit the target at the maximum range the HERF would still be sending out more energy further down the line than a small magnet could anyways. Finally, range is not important. If you look at every gunbattle between non-power armored personel firearms are only used in close quarters such as when a ship is boarded or on the ground. Rarely is any battle outdoors and when it is usualy it is taken up by power armor which has no need for these weapons.


It looks like your deciding more on a rail gun system now than your weird pull apart magnets from earlyer. You need to update your gun stats now that your changing things. You also need to state if 4 feet is the emaximum effective range or the point at which the field becomes so small its undetectable. Odds are its the first but you need to be clear about those things.

Being not nice to other people won't help you get your stuff approved.

 

[Kayto Styles]

I'm not nice to you. You didn't read my last post though very well since you commented on things that were relatively explained accurately such as why it would cause a knock back affect. The same firing system that I have been explaining to you is still there it's just now posted all together in one little spot so you can comprehend it. Everything about the nuke was an example since nukes were the highlight of the discovery of EMPs. I was trying to be as simple as possible since you have no clue what I am talking about when I mention kinetic energy caused by an explosion.

The explosion is the "fuel" used to power the capacitor/generator inside the "Marble" size bead. Which I stated it was marble size not BB in that post and an earlier one. And by this LARGE EMP field you speak of.... since when is four feet large? Thats not even the size of an adult and as I also stated earlier before the weapons ammunition was going to be hard to come by as is.

If your still wanting to argue the knock a step back statement reread the post slower.

I'll be mean to you since telling by Jadg Wolf's post your hardly ever civil toward people.

Also noticed you didn't argue the fact that all the energy weapons look like K-Mart laser tag guns I so won that battle hands down.

 

[Wes]

Also noticed you didn't argue the fact that all the energy weapons look like K-Mart laser tag guns. I so won that battle hands down.

What did you expect, cocking levers, flash surpessors and ejection ports?

Anyway, who manufactures this EMP pistol?

 

[Jadg Wolf]

Absolutely not. Zack is civil, people insult him (or anyone who gives them criticism, for that matter), and then he gets shit for being "mean." He tries to help you, you say he's gay. You're acting like a twelve year old. Grow up.

I can't stress enough that I'm not saying Zack is never civil. It's you new people who take offense when anyone tries to give you criticism. You may think differently, but face it: you're new. You don't know how stuff goes around here. Stop acting so arrogant.

 

[Zack]

Like I asked earlyer, is the field 4 feet total or four feet in effective radious?

Nukes have no relation to your weapon. They aren't even a viable source of EMP, that is why the goverment has focued its efforts on the HERF weapon systems.

Your equipment was NOT well explained or defined. You've gone from a magnet, to a power core, to a capacitor inside your marble/bb thing. Its clear you need to get a better understanding of your own weapon so you can explain it better here and in RP later on if you intend to use it.

Feel free to not make any changes to your weapon, as it is it seems Wes won't approve the weapon for use.

 

[Wes]

Feel free to not make any changes to your weapon, as it is it seems Wes won't approve the weapon for use.

Actually, I'm considering it. The cost of the EMP marbles would be enormous, though.

 

[Yangfan]

I don't approve of this "I'll be mean to you because you're mean to me" attitude. Can you imagine what would happen if everyone thinks like that?

 

[Kayto Styles]

Like I asked earlier, is the field 4 feet total or four feet in effective radius?

I said it expanded to 4 feet then pulled back into itself like a pulse should. So the full power of the EMP only effects the 4 foot radius but since an EMP travels in a nanosecond it wont lose much power whether it the center of the EMP or the 4 foot edge.

Your equipment was NOT well explained or defined. You've gone from a magnet, to a power core, to a capacitor inside your marble/BB thing. Its clear you need to get a better understanding of your own weapon so you can explain it better here and in RP later on if you intend to use it.

I've never swayed from a magnetic generator. You were the one that brought up capacitor so I plugged it in there with a / so you would understand what we were talking about and when. And it's not me that has to understand how my weapon works it's the fact that you want it to be so logical and well described to the point of being able to make one in the here and now.

"I'll be mean to you because you're mean to me" attitude. Can you imagine what would happen if everyone thinks like that?

A lot less people in prison, less depression, a lot more dead people. Since fear of anger would become wide spread the death tolls would drop dramatically.

Anyway, who manufactures this EMP pistol?

Would anyone mind if WickedArm's was the manufactures? I basically like the designs incorporated with their weapons. But since my weapon is none lethal and has that defect of over heating if 3 shots are fired in succession it wasn't mass produced since people could always go for Uso's design.

Which Shop on Nep is normally overpricing their equipment but normally keeps in stock of almost everything? Because in all reality I was going to make a Black market NPC who deals in faulty and hard to find items. (Yet still I'd make the "beads" hard to get a hold of.)

 

[Wes]

Would anyone mind if WickedArm's was the manufactures? I basically like the designs incorporated with their weapons. But since my weapon is none lethal and has that defect of over heating if 3 shots are fired in succession it wasn't mass produced since people could always go for Uso's design.

Well, in addition to the defects, there's also the matter that WickedArms is a Yamataian corporation that only makes things on en masse. They're also slowly dissolving back into their parent organization, Ketsurui Zaibatsu.

Which Shop on Nep is normally overpricing their equipment but normally keeps in stock of almost everything? Because in all reality I was going to make a Black market NPC who deals in faulty and hard to find items. (Yet still I'd make the "beads" hard to get a hold of.)

I've got no problem with using such an NPC. You'd likely find on on Nepleslia or on Halna.