Sakura-Class Gunship

[Wes]

Test type (Ke-S3-1a) design has been completed.
https://stararmy.com/starships/ketsurui/ ... nship.html

 

[Derran Tyler]

What can the S3 do that no other warship in the fleet do that makes building it in large numbers instead of using existing designs feasible from a military standpoint?

 

[Wes]

While it does include more systems and new ones that have never been found on KFY ships before, it is not massively revolutionary and another ship could be modified instead.

So why make it? KFY loves to build new ships, and cost isn't a particularly important factor at the moment. Besides, Irim's whims must be obeyed.

 

[Zack]

Besides, its been a long time since something has come out of KFY.


Why S3? and what do you have planned for the 'new stuff'?

 

[Wes]

I don't want to answer the "new stuff" question until I do some more research, so hang in there for a bit. As for the S3, the S1 was the Frontier-class Assault Ship, and the S2 is the Irim-class Gunship. Since this is the third gunship to come out of KFY, it's the S3. The class name wasn't decided at the time, so I just used the model number. For a few minutes, it was briefly posted as the D4, but I changed my mind.

I decided to name the class Sakura, inspired by my trip to Washington DC, which has been inspirational for my work on the Star Army.

 

[Derran Tyler]

I do have something to say, Wes.

By combining electrostatic, weak nuclear, strong nuclear and gravitic force (in that order) to form the force that existed at the beginning of causality, this weapon effectively forces the strings in the target area to expand to their previous ten dimensions and preventing matter (and energy) from existing in that area for a short time. As the strings expand they can, theoretically, pass on the effect to others and create a chain reaction. As the field dissipates, the matter that was expanded returns to its previous 5 dimensions as raw energy, creating the equivalent of an atomic annihilation explosion as an aftereffect.

You do realize that this description sounds.....sillly. How does expanding something to ten dimensions prevent matter and energy from existing there? Hell, why would said expansion do that? That's something I'm not quite understanding. Furthermore, why would the matter that was expanded (even though you said that matter and energy can't exist there, so how was it expanded again?) turn to raw energy?

This weapon not only doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's redundant as all hell. Why build one of these weapons when you have directed fold cannons, quantum detonators, and a host of other weapons that all do the same thing - totally destroy everything in its area of effect?

I just don't get it, really. Why have fifty different weapons with increasingly more off the wall descriptions and methods of operations when they all do the same thing? I don't see this weapon as being any different, and more importantly, more effective than anything else you have.

Necessity is the mother of design. There's no need for this weapon because you already have weapons that do the same thing.

 

[Wes]

Well, it was a toss-up between several main guns, all effective. Also considered were:

• Aether Shock Cannon
• Transposition Cannon
• Anti-plasma Cannon (D-Gun)

I'll switch it out with one of the other ones, because I don't have enough information to support this weapon, as it was suggested by another RPer here. Little to no reference info was found either.

What would you say is the most effective anti-fleet main gun system?

 

[Rob]

You do realize that this description sounds.....sillly. How does expanding something to ten dimensions prevent matter and energy from existing there? Hell, why would said expansion do that? That's something I'm not quite understanding. Furthermore, why would the matter that was expanded (even though you said that matter and energy can't exist there, so how was it expanded again?) turn to raw energy?

I don't want to get into another argument with you Derran, but the theory of string (aka String Theory) basically concludes that strings (base matter, form gluons etc) are actually collapsed dimension-pieces (there are probably more than ten, and as many as thirty) that existed, as stated, at the beginning of causality for just a few femtoseconds (or whatever). Using unified energy (another thing, in this case force, that came into existance at the beginning of causality) it is possible to expand the strings back to their previous dimensional form. Obviously this has catastrophic effects on the matter that the strings were formed into, and once the unified energy field gives out it is unlikely that the matter will reform. It is actually quite unlikely that the same process will happen to recreate strings, so you may end up with nothingness as the dimensions cease to exist completely. IF they come back, it will almost certainly be in the form of raw (ie explosive) energy, purely because the strings are seperate and free floating, and as such cannot exist (shaky here =p) so convert directly to energy. Unified energy is pretty much impossible to manipulate once it has been created, but ceases to exist (and collapses back into the other four base forces) almost immediately. I'm not actually sure how far it would travel, or how far it would reach as it is made from two infinite-range forces (gravity and electrostatic) and two finite range forces (weak and strong)... although it may have a different effect on reality altogether, bypassing distance as it expands strings. it would be possible to force the field to remain in existance by simply pulsing graviton, WNF, SNF and electroweak beams at it, but firing a continuous beam would not be advised... the beam would convert to UE... and take the projector, and your ship, with it.[/quote]

 

[Zack]

You still haven't fully explained exactly what your using to create this effect and project it. If your firing a projectile of 10d energy then your own ship would be destroyed by the weapon under you own discription and if its a beam than virtually any energy shield would prevent it from itneracting with the target ship blah blah blah, Derran will be here to fully debunk the science on this soon. I don't really know enough about string theory to debate this proper.

 

[Derran Tyler]

I don't want to get into another argument with you Derran, but the theory of string (aka String Theory) basically concludes that strings (base matter, form gluons etc) are actually collapsed dimension-pieces (there are probably more than ten, and as many as thirty) that existed, as stated, at the beginning of causality for just a few femtoseconds (or whatever). Using unified energy (another thing, in this case force, that came into existance at the beginning of causality) it is possible to expand the strings back to their previous dimensional form. Obviously this has catastrophic effects on the matter that the strings were formed into, and once the unified energy field gives out it is unlikely that the matter will reform. It is actually quite unlikely that the same process will happen to recreate strings, so you may end up with nothingness as the dimensions cease to exist completely. IF they come back, it will almost certainly be in the form of raw (ie explosive) energy, purely because the strings are seperate and free floating, and as such cannot exist (shaky here =p) so convert directly to energy. Unified energy is pretty much impossible to manipulate once it has been created, but ceases to exist (and collapses back into the other four base forces) almost immediately. I'm not actually sure how far it would travel, or how far it would reach as it is made from two infinite-range forces (gravity and electrostatic) and two finite range forces (weak and strong)... although it may have a different effect on reality altogether, bypassing distance as it expands strings. it would be possible to force the field to remain in existance by simply pulsing graviton, WNF, SNF and electroweak beams at it, but firing a continuous beam would not be advised... the beam would convert to UE... and take the projector, and your ship, with it.

You just said a whole lot of shit and didn't say anything at all, you do realize that, right?

It doesn't answer ANY of the questions I raised.

I mean, c'mon 'Unified Energy.' Be serious here, man. How do you go about unifying the four fundamental forces of electromagentism, gravity, strong, and weak nuclear forces anyway? And how does uniting them create 'unified energy?' And how does this 'unified energy' expand superstrings to 10 dimensions?

The fact that there's so many unanswerable questions combined with the fact that this weapon is completely redundant for the purpose it's used for (and therefore unnecessary) is more than enough reason for this weapon to be tossed by the wayside. There's no reason to suspend disbelief in regards to this weapon because it's completely evident that you are talking out of your ass here, bucko.

Necessity is the mother of design.

This weapon isn't needed. Stop trying to come up with some revolutionary weapons system or technology all the damn time. At the current tech level Star Army is at, there's basically nothing new under the sun. You have energy sources that work at perfect efficiency. You have weapons on your weakest warships that can render entire star systems uninhabitable. Resources are no longer an issue as you can just create whatever you want at will. Your greatest soldiers can be cloned endlessly to effectively escape death.

Nothing you come up with will be no more effective or workable than what the Star Army has already deployed. That's why I asked Wes at the very beginning of this thread why was this ship NEEDED? After reading the stats, the Sakura is no more combat effective than its predecessor - the Irim.

Why have 20 starship classes when four will do? Why build large capital ships when your destroyers are more than enough to get the job done?

You've increased technology, firepower, etc. to the point that there's no real conflict to be had. No one force can really be more effective than the other; tactics are no longer an issue. In order to make any adversary credible, they have to be so obsencely powerful that it just becomes stupid.

In short: The technology level of this RP is so high that there's no room for real advancement.

 

[Wes]

Necessity is the mother of design.

Well, this weapon was actually proposed for another race that's being worked on. You're right about it not being needed in the Star Army, though; I won't use it on Star Army ships.

In short: The technology level of this RP is so high that there's no room for real advancement.

Yeah. That's a good point. In fact, I was looking at another RP today and this is how they handled the problem:

There have been no fundamentally new technologies for several hundred years. Even the refinements of existing technology have stopped. The weapons, ships, consumer goods, transportation, communication, entertainment and domestic technologies are therefore stable. In this era it is a case of making best use of what is, rather than invent a better device.

From

The Universe

www.theuniverse.org.uk

Do you think we should do something similar?

 

[Zack]

*evil grin* There is always another level.

 

[Wes]

Sakura artwork has been cleaned up and updated a bit, and the main weapon is now an Aether Shock Cannon (linear quantum detonator).

 

[Wes]

I updated the Sakura stats. The class has not been upgraded. I just added information on the current model, specifically:

• History: Updated with the latest exploits of the Sakura class (mainly YSS Sakura). I will probably trim the stuff I added down at a later date when there is more to add.
• Interiors: Engineering description
• Interiors: Maintenance Conduits (Access tunnels) description
• Interiors: Main gun access tunnel junction/test room description
• Systems: OOC Section on interacting with MEGAMI

https://stararmy.com/starships/ketsurui/sakura/sakura_gunship.html

 

[Wes]

The X2600 escape pods have been replaced by X2900 ones. I've also listed the contents of the standard Star Army survival kit that's found in all escape pods and shuttle craft.

I also added chargers in the armory for the new Type 29 NSP.

 

[Ethereal]

Added approval information
https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=stararmy:starships:sakura_gunship