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Gluon Mesh / Yarvex discussion thread.

Zack

Zack

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A yarvex filter would undoubtedly absorb/reflect all of the gamma rays as it could be woven tight enough to be smaller than the gamma ray's wavelength. All space fairing equipment can generally be assumed to be immune to radiation such as gamma rays. NDI radiation shields are considered to be fool proof and would block out gamma rays entirely. There was a time when I tried to make a GRP based weapon and that got effectively neutralized by current shielding systems so I wouldn't be surprised if the Star Army has the same thing.

20cm of water and humans are horrible reference points to calculate gamma ray radiation/death amounts from. Neko biology is far more resilient than a humans and even leathal doses (for a human) wouldn't phase a neko due to things like thicker skin, nanomachine based healing, and ect. There is also the suit's shield systems which are probably more effective than 20cm of water and zeusiaum to get through. Putting aside the BS nature of the material it is generally described as impervious against radiation. Only two molecules of the substance are needed for it to retain its full strength so the internal density of it is a bit sketchy but I think it is safe to assume that it would reflect/absorb gamma rays because it is designed as a material for starships (and doubling as armor, radiation shielding, ect.)

Yarvex is the same thing as YMA cloth (to my knowledge) which is a chain of quarks and gluons. While this isn't as realalistic as inferring elements yet to be discovered on the periodic table it is certainly possible within the limits of high energy chemistry and suspension of disbelief.
 
[No, quark-gluon plasma can only exist at enrgies (read: temperatures) of great than ~170 MeV, which is in the trillions of degrees kelvin (sry i got the first number wrong though, was going of off my memomry there). This is, btw, the lowest temperature form of quark matter. Below that temperature, quarks cannot exist outside of hadrons (protons, electrons, etc.).]

I'll respond to the other points when i get back, have to leave for school now.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't see why Yarvex couldn't exsist. The chain of quarks and gluons essentially form a single new particle that is shaped according to the maker's needs (which is why Yarvex is immune to anti-matter as creating anti-Yarvex would be a rediculously complicated process).

Yarvex more closely resembles a solid or liquid than a plasma and can not really be considered quark-gluon plasma although a high energy enviroment is needed to form the material.
 
mkeh'. Quarks cannot exist outside of a hadron at temperatures less than 170 MeV. They cannot, its as simple as that. Both theory and experiment soundly support this. When matter exceeds temperatures of 170 MeV (or several trillian degrees kelvin) it breaks down into a matter made up of quarks and gluons, called a Quark-Gluon plasma. Should it drop bellow this temperature, it will spontaneously reform into hadrons, simple as that. [As a note, the only time that this has, to my knowledged, existed within the universe was in the fraction of a second after the big bang).

Also, anti-quarks do exist, though though i do not believe they anhilitate each other (as both AM and M version exist inside composite hadrons).

Edit: A comparable example occured to me just now; Neutronium. This protomatter, just like quark-matter, can only exist under very special, very extreme conditions. When those conditions cease, the protmatter reforms into normal matter.
 
*blinks and tries to formulat a response, but has no idea where this thread has gone.*

Can you all simplify it for those that have lost to many braincells through physical activities? o.o;
 
Again, Yarvex forms a new particle through an alteration of yang-mills theory along the lines of an exotic meson.

Quarks cannot exist outside of a hadron at temperatures less than 170 MeV
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Again, ok but this doesn't disprove Yarvex. The entirety of your post is pointless because there is no link between Quarks not being able to exist outside of Hadrons in a high energy environment and why Yarvex can't exist.
 
No quark has ever been seen outside of a hadron or meson. This is because as the distance increases between two quarks the strong force between them gains such a potential that two new quarks come into existence, bonding with the two separate ones to form two separate quark-anti-quark pairs. This is confinement (which also prevents partial charges from existing in normal conditions). There are only two possible conditions under which this is not true, temperatures above the temperature wherein Quantum Chronodynamics takes over and the center of very, very massive neutron stars (the last one being only theory, btw).

The second one is the only type that this Yarvex could possibly be, but lets just assume you somehow managed to form up the quarks into a monoquark chain. This chain would, unfortunately, last a very short period of time, due to random motion of the particles (like any other particle). As the "freeâ€
 
Vesper said:
No quark has ever been seen outside of a hadron or meson. This is because as the distance increases between two quarks the strong force between them gains such a potential that two new quarks come into existence, bonding with the two separate ones to form two separate quark-anti-quark pairs.
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And here I thought it was because quarks were smaller than the naked eye, a microscope, or even an electron microscope could see. My bad. But how do those quarks and antiquarks come into existence without some form of, say, radiation? Could it be the split of a neutrino? Don't you think that if someone were to harness this technique, some unimaginable substance might be possible?
Vesper said:
This is confinement (which also prevents partial charges from existing in normal conditions). There are only two possible conditions under which this is not true, temperatures above the temperature wherein Quantum Chronodynamics takes over and the center of very, very massive neutron stars (the last one being only theory, btw).
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As opposed to those tiny neutron stars that weigh only a few grams, right? Seriously, though, if starships are emitting enough energy to cause spontaneous formation of a black hole, don't you think that such high temperatures might be possible?
Vesper said:
The second one is the only type that this Yarvex could possibly be, but lets just assume you somehow managed to form up the quarks into a monoquark chain. This chain would, unfortunately, last a very short period of time, due to random motion of the particles (like any other particle).
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Unless you stick them together properly...but go on.
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Again, because these quarks aren't exsisting outside of a meson the majority of your post is largely meaningless.
 
Kimura, the point of this Yarvex is that the strong nuclear force holds it together very strongly. Those random "bondsâ€
 
Look up the pentaquark. It, along with other exotic mesons, imply that using high energy chemistry new quark/gluon/whatever structures could be created. It is way out there I'll admit but nothing that wouldn't fall under suspention of disbelief.
 
I already have read about the pentaquark, and it in no way supports making chains of quarks, so what I said above stands. The pentaquark does indicate that other very large baryons could exist (not arbitrarily large mind you, but bigger than current baryons), but they exist in the lowest potential arrangement, that of a spheroid. Further, they existed for less than 1e-20 second. This is not overly surprising as nearly all very massive particles have incredibly short life spans.

So Uso, no, no they (or exotic mesons, as I have said) have not shown in experiment or theory that quarks can be formed into chains, much less a stable chain.

Period.


http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... uark.html;
http://www.jlab.org/news/articles/2003/Lefigaro.html
http://www-focus.fnal.gov/penta/penta_charm.html
http://www.britannicaindia.com/nicad_ne ... earch=2083
http://conferences.jlab.org/pentaquark/
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0404019
http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/20 ... usat_x.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentaquark
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/8/3/9
http://www.jlab.org/news/articles/2003/five_quark.html
http://physics.about.com/cs/physicsnews/a/010703a_2.htm
http://www.aip.org/png/2003/193.htm
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3903
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3034754.stm
http://www.phy.ohiou.edu/~hicks/thplus.htm

Not one of those articles makes any mention or even hint that A) pentaquarks are sings of different quark structural arrangements (as opposed to matter composition) and B ) even suggest that a quark chain can exist.

Its simple Uso, even assuming you could someone assemble the quarks into a chain without disturbing the ones already there (frankly impossible) random movements would return it to a spheroid (though it would probably began to undergo nuclear decay before completely balling up) well before you finished with it. Not only are high-energy and quantum physics against such a structure, it is simply so thermodynamically unstable that it would never exist for any real length of time.

[This one, http://www.physorg.com/news4903.html is discussing how the evidence for pentaquarks is not as rock-hard as the above ones where saying, since it is using the results of a experiment with accuracy 10 decimals better than the first one, which did not detect any pentaquarks.

[P.S. I wanted references. The kind you see that I put. Without refrences, your argument is hearsay.]
 
No, but they have shown that quarks might be able to be formed into different structures implying that it is possible to form them into customised structures. The how falls under suspention of disbelief but it can be assumed that the material would act like one big meson.
 
Uso, just because they where able to form a 5 quark baryon in NO WAY means they can manipulate quarks into fanciful structures.
 
Not now, but the SA universe is a fairly high tech setting and as long as the possiblity exsists that something can be changed into different formats the possiblity also exsists that it can be shaped according to someone's will.
 
Well, fuck normal science then. Right Uso?

If a quark in the SA doesn't act like a Quark in the real world, why don't we just make characters who can fly through space in their underwear and fire beams from their eyes.
 
Cora said:
If a quark in the SA doesn't act like a Quark in the real world, why don't we just make characters who can fly through space in their underwear and fire beams from their eyes.
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They call that a NIWS unit, I hear. XD
 
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