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Dagger Class Guided Missile Cruiser

Hasn't the Egress been around for a long time? The idea of the civilian ship requirement is that a new civilian design is added every time a military one is added. This does not appear to be a new design nor one made by you, and if it's being used by the military, how is it civilian?

The first sentence is not a complete sentence.

YE 33 should be linked.

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None of its weapons are standard weapons that are in use by any other ships. We have weapons that fill each SDR rating from aetheric shock arrays to Curbstompers. Adding new weapons is a greater strain on logistics and costs.

Plus its not NAM, which has the monopoly on Nepleslian military hardware. Lastly, CadetNewb is already working on updating the Nep navy to my understanding.
 
-Rubs at the bridge of his nose.-

Ok.

Zen Arms has yet to submit any military derived vessels (Until now.) that I know of. The Egress to my knowledge has never been used as a civilian design for any military ship. I updated the article to more 'wiki friendly' format awhile back. So what is preventing it from being used as a civilian design save for 'age' if it wasn't brought up before now?


As for the NAM having sole control over the military.

Class: Na-C4-1A “Blackjack”
Type: Assault Cruiser
Designers: NAM, OI
Manufacturers: NAM, OI1)
Production: 300+
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Origin is an outside manufacturer that used to base itself in Yamatai (Or may still... correct me if I'm wrong.). Which means NAM doesn't have sole control on the Nep Military if things are discussed. Heck, even in the past due to a bumble by Uso, NAM developed a tank for Yamatai with cooperation from KFY.

So I think it is safe to say Zen Arms could possibly produce something for the Military as well. But as always, what goes through the military is up to the FM.
 
Altered from a military submission to a civilian combat vessel with military applications, sorry Sigma your loss.

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Hasn't the Egress been around for a long time? The idea of the civilian ship requirement is that a new civilian design is added every time a military one is added. This does not appear to be a new design nor one made by you, and if it's being used by the military, how is it civilian?
*Points toward Soresu's post.*

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Soresu said:
-Rubs at the bridge of his nose.-

As for the NAM having sole control over the military.

Class: Na-C4-1A “Blackjack”
Type: Assault Cruiser
Designers: NAM, OI
Manufacturers: NAM, OI1)
Production: 300+
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Origin is an outside manufacturer that used to base itself in Yamatai (Or may still... correct me if I'm wrong.). Which means NAM doesn't have sole control on the Nep Military if things are discussed. Heck, even in the past due to a bumble by Uso, NAM developed a tank for Yamatai with cooperation from KFY.
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I am well aware of the Blackjack's manufacture and the fact that my own plot makes use of OI's Kouken class. In regards to who manufactures what for the SMDION, those are decisions that are in the FM's hands, not mine. I can, however, argue fluff. NAM is the go-to supplier for pretty much all things Nepleslian military.

ZA is supposedly a small firearms company that recently acquired the firearms division from Paragon. Where did the expertise to make a military-grade starship come from? Or to convert one?
 
They acquired a whole lot more then the firearms division, they basically got their hands on anything that didn't go to Origin which is quite a bit.
 
I don't see why this needs to be made by ZA. Why not just have it be NAM?

It is the government sponsored military-industrial giant. From the NAM wiki, "Since its inception, NAM has become the primary, and in fact only, supplier of warships, Powered Armor, and heavy weaponry for the Star Military of the Democratic Imperium of Nepleslia."

Since this is a government run organization, it stands to reason that the potential buyer (the Nepleslian state) would not buy this when they want to keep the monopoly to themselves. Even if that means building their own from scratch.

Examples such as the Blackjack and the NAM/KFY tank involved NAM. The Koukens in 4th Fleet were a stopgap measure I sought permission for since, at the time, almost every ship by NAM was not available as they prepared for the release of the newer stuff. I did not design my own at the time since I was too unfamiliar with DOGA and CadetNewb seemed to be working on it. If there had been, or there is, a NAM produced destroyer class escort then I will readily shift every single Kouken into drydock and pick those up.
 
Because I want it to be made by ZA. ZA has been around just as long as NAM, has made ships, and even military grade PA's. What's wrong with them expanding their market? Or is an outside manufacturer more trustworthy than one of Nepleslia's own?

Would it help if we add a NAM sticker to the designer tag to it? I just would like to know why a lot of ZA products have been questioned as of late. I picked the company up, expanded it, brought in help, and since others have also started to work on it a lot of it is being brought into question, doubt and being nitpicked over small details.

So forgive me if I find it all a little tiring. :|

But, I'm willing to try and get things to work. So I want you to tell me what you'd like out of this to make it better for you, and for others to use. And I'll sit down with Arieg personally and we'll hammer it out.
 
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I don't see why this needs to be made by ZA.  Why not just have it be NAM?

Because I built it for Zen Arms.

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It [i]is [/i]the government sponsored military-industrial giant.  From the NAM wiki, "Since its inception, NAM has become the primary, and in fact only, supplier of warships, Powered Armor, and heavy weaponry for the Star Military of the Democratic Imperium of Nepleslia."

The main reason being they where the only Nepleslian company that got any major work done on them.

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Since this is a government run organization, it stands to reason that the potential buyer (the Nepleslian state) would not buy this when they want to keep the monopoly to themselves.  Even if that means building their own from scratch.

From what I've heard from Kokuten its not up to the Nepleslian state, its up to the admiral equipping his or her fleet.

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Examples such as the Blackjack and the NAM/KFY tank involved NAM.  The Koukens in 4th Fleet were a stopgap measure I sought permission for since, at the time, almost every ship by NAM was not available as they prepared for the release of the newer stuff.  I did not design my own at the time since I was too unfamiliar with DOGA and CadetNewb seemed to be working on it.  If there had been, or there is, a NAM produced destroyer class escort then I will readily shift every single Kouken into drydock and pick those up.

Your choice chief.
 
I reiterate my points regarding Zen Arms. With the addition of: "Just because it is the Black Syndicate doesn't make it a bad thing." taking things too far OOCly such as personal bias (It being made by a Syndicate affiliate company.) impacting a submission's approval is generally frowned upon in here.

Funfact: A fleet's commander generally makes up what class of vessel it uses. Meaning, if one does not want to use it, one does not need to.

Additional Funfact: The FM still has final say if it would be used for Marine-derived forces (Or if it is used at all). Meaning, it could possibly not be used by them solving all problems.

Soresu Fact: I'm tired of such an issue impinging on my right to help bolster Nepleslia's space forces after the elongated shaft rocket debacle. I wouldn't be expending the effort to see this passed if I didn't want to help Nepland out.

Additional Soresu Fact: My offer was generous in trying to make it more 'tasteful' for some. It wasn't taken up so that lends me to believe my efforts in trying to build up Zen Arms are for naught.

Additional Additional Soresu Fact: I'm on a horse.
 
Missing nomenclature - either standard or NAM's

What is the ship hull constructed out of? I do not see it annotated, and since that determines the SP of the craft.... it also impacts the maximum STL speed.

This ship is being built by Zen and not using NAM tech, shields should be using Advanced rather than Very Advanced.
 
Nashoba said:
Missing nomenclature - either standard or NAM's

What is the ship hull constructed out of? I do not see it annotated, and since that determines the SP of the craft.... it also impacts the maximum STL speed.

This ship is being built by Zen and not using NAM tech, shields should be using Advanced rather than Very Advanced.
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Soresu said:
But, I'm willing to try and get things to work. So I want you to tell me what you'd like out of this to make it better for you, and for others to use. And I'll sit down with Arieg personally and we'll hammer it out.
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Get NAM involved in its creation. As I said to Arieg, every single bit of its internal systems is entirely different from anything Nepleslian sailors would be used to, especially considering that EVERY ship is Nepleslian service makes use of NAM systems.

But if the goal is to produce a ship independent of NAM, then listening to me harp about NAM isn't going to get us anywhere.

With the addition of: "Just because it is the Black Syndicate doesn't make it a bad thing." taking things too far OOCly such as personal bias (It being made by a Syndicate affiliate company.) impacting a submission's approval is generally frowned upon in here.
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If the tech mods are holding this up simply because I don't like the company's affiliations or the internal systems, then I apologize. I have worked under the assumption that as the newest Nepleslian GM, my opinion matters little in the grand scheme.
 
Why should I get NAM involved? Prior to "NAM Systems" they utilized Nerimian Technology. I'm willing to give concessions where concessions are due, but that reasoning is making me question my offer even more now. I've been on here long enough to know Nepleslians can adapt rapidly and to know a lot of their stuff was founded on outsider tech. I already stated you don't have to use the ship in your fleet. I just want a more legitimate, sensible reason behind it.

And no, I don't think they're holding it up because of that. However...

I've already told Arieg after this batch of vehicles to shift focus on smaller things. If this doesn't get used by the Marines, then it'll be a Guard vessel. Everybody wins, and I rethink my strategy and stance on what/if I market to people on here now.
 
The ship can be built by any organization that Nepleslia wants to use, heck, Geshrinari Shipyards produced ships for Nepleslia the Vampire and Ghoul being two such designs.

All the technical aspects are resolved, I would like Koku to give his nod before I give final Approval.
 
It is completely up to Zen Arms whether or not they build this ship for themselves, or for the market of other nations. I don't know why a private sector submission needs to be within my realm of approval, but let me make it clear that the Admirals decide what they want in their fleet. Besides, our fleets already have ships that aren't completely NAM made last I recall, it shouldn't be a big deal if this is marketed to us as well.

We already use guns made by the Black's front organization, I see no reason we should limit ourselves further. If Sigma likes, he can offer to make a NAM variant for Zen Arms that's more comfortable to use our fleets, but otherwise the submission is fine as it is.
 
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