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Gluon Mesh / Yarvex discussion thread.

Vesper said:
USO, READ THE DAMN POSTS AND THINK!!

*takes a breath*

I'm sorry to have to lash out at you in such a way, but you seem to be purposefully being ignorant of what I'm saying.
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Don't be too upset, he's always like this.
 

Thank you, this basically proves my point about how not everything automatically goes to the lowest energy level.


No, Uso, that is not the a basic part of engineering.
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Towers, suspention bridges, triangle shaped supports, load bearing walls, all of which deal with keeping things in a higher energy state which is a lot more efficent than building structures out of lower energy state supports and the like. Keeping things in a higher energy state is a very desireable quality in a structure if you are trying to conserve space or resources, or just want it to look good.

Now, your "Yarvexâ€
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The only thing that can keep quarks and glutons in the state bnessessary for them to be formed into anything likeable to chains is if they're kept at 1012K or higher. But, partical movement with inhibit the chain.

There, done, proven, shut the hell up now!!
 
ya, that is a typical process for most materials. They are heated, molded, and cooled. The same process would be used for the quark gluon mesh, heating to the point of Quark Gluon Plasma, arrangement in the nessisary structure, and then cooling.

You haven't proven anything Cora.
 
Will you read the friggin crap we've posted!?

Quarks will pair up and create protons and electrions when they're cooled from Quark/gluton plasma. The will NOT remain in the shape of a mesh because of the astrong forces they place on each other!

For fucks sake can't you friggin read?!
 
They remain in position because of the palcement of the quarks and gluons in the form of a stable exotic meson like structure which falls well within the suspention of disbelief that exsists on this site.

Perhaps you should go cool down before posting here again.
 
That is kinda the point... you have to heat them up to the point of quark/gluon plasma before you can shape them.
 
I ment that when you heat them they would not stay in the form of a mesh because particles are given energy when heated, and change shape when given enough heat, therefore it would not stay in the form of a mesh.

Now Uso you are not going to win this argument so just back out, your point has disproved many times now.
 
That dosen't disprove YMA cloth/yarvex. In fact, it is assumed that once at the quark/gluon plasma heat level the material starts to break apart. It is common knowledge that things break apart at certain temperatures, the problem with your argument is that you have no link to... well... anything.


As it is, no one has presented a valid argument against the material that dosen't fall under suspention of disbelief.
 
Structure does not and cannot exist in a Quark-Gluon Plasma. Thats why it (the QGP) exists. The kinetic energy (i.e. thermal) of the constituent particles (quarks and gluons) is such that they overcome all attractive forces and just start bouncing around like mad. Normal matter does not exist at these temperatures, nor could any sort of order be maintained. Period.

As soon as the QGP cooled to below its threshold temperature (a few trillion k) it instantly reforms into hadrons. Seperate hadrons. Then EM and Gravity take over, the strong force does not work between hadrons. So, no Uso, they would not cool into a proper arrangement. It would go from the total chaos of quarks and gluons zipping about to the chaos of random hadrons zipping about.

I stress again order could not be created in a QGP.

Metals reform into crystal lattices because of the formation of covalent bonds with there valence electrons. The electromagnetic force (or gravity) does not play a signifigant role in activity on the quark-gluon scale, the strong force does. And the strong force (with the random bonds being constantly formed) would end up not allowing a structure to form. Further, the weak nuclear force would cause any large hadron (note that mesons are hadrons too) to decay into other smaller hadrons in very, very s hort order.

No particle could stop this.
 
I stress again order could not be created in a QGP.
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That is simply untrue, Order could be created in any variety of ways from the more exotic spacial folding and bending to the someone basic approch of simply heating up a small area to make the change like in weilding.

The rest falls under suspention of disbelief. Because different structures can be formed out of quarks and gluons it is not a stretch to assume that the particles could be ordered as needed for form a thread of material The how this is done part is what is covered under suspention of disbelief, they could be arranged in interconnecting mesons, in one chain of quark, gluon, ect, but it dosen't matter because the end material can be infered to have some of the properties of an exotic meson.



You can attack what is needed to make the material, but with modern (in the RP universe) technology it wouldn't be hard to create the conditions needed to for the material, or you can attack the internal workins of the material which falls under suspention of disbelief. In either case your arguments still aren't valid.
 
Uso, if you are not going to give evidence and/or links to help prove your point then there is no point posting as you could have just made that up.
 
His defense is suspention of disbelief. That's it, that's the sole reason he won't take into accunt he's been disprooved since he started.

And Uso, your arguements aren't valid since there's no scientific proof to back you up. So, shut up, and back down.
 
Suspension of disbelief means that you can make a reasonable explanation of whatever you're trying to put into the game. Because Uso can't make a reasonable explanation as to why his Yarvex material is feasible, then you can't suspend your disbelief.

It's not simply a 'suspension of disbelief', but rather a reasonable suspension of disbelief.
 
To quote the site Yarvex is
A highly advanced gluon mesh
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glueballs and other high energy structures have been theorized. The lower energy states of gluon meshes are not something that is way out there and definitely something that would be possible to create with futuristic technology.

Because the material is already approved and the arguments against it were either irrelevant or being set against something that couldn't be explained anyways (as none of the futuristic materials on the site can be expected to have an understandable molecular or subatomic structure) there was no reason to explain the technology beyond what was already on the site.
 
Yes, glueballs do exist but 1) they are balls not strings and 2) they only exist at temperatures above a few trillion K. Below that they reform into normal, uncconnected matter.
 
Okay, seeing as how those of us who don't know what they're talking about seem to think that 'he has no sources' is a valid argument (and I suppose it's justified), I'm basing myself entirely on two Stephen Hawking books (A Brief History of Time and The Universe in a Nutshell) as well as the Wikipedia.

In any case, I'm not entirely sure of how this 'colour charge' works. Would it be possible to build a honeycomb-like latticework based on the principle of a hexagon field being coloured so that no two adjacent panels are the same? That would mostly compensate for random particle movements since 'containment' would mean that they would be pulled in towards each other every time they strayed.
 
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