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Im not bashing your technology, Derran. I just think now - as I pretty much always have - that it really doesnt mesh well with Star Army.

But yes, that does actually make me happy, as it alleviates my number one argument with this. Since its hard to argue that a scout ship shouldnt be faster than a heavy combat ship. This done makes it a much less tenuous discussion.

Appreciated!

as I pretty much always have - that it really doesnt mesh well with Star Army.

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In so far as.....it's every bit as powerful as what the Yamataians have?

I think she means stylistically. Sure, the NDI may be able to match Yamatai's tech, but the tech itself is very different.

Actually it is exactly in step with Yamatai tech because a lot of Yamatai tech has come from NDI tech. The tech itself is pretty much the same.

Also if Derran waters down his tech I would assume that others should have to do the same.

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Also if Derran waters down his tech I would assume that others should have to do the same.

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Such as you.

NERD references have been removed from the Wiki.

I hate to drag everyone off topic but this should be ready for approval.

Bump.

It's dimensions are utterly disgusting.

85 meter length = 280.5 feet.

18 meter hight and width = 59.4 feet.

This is a one decked ship with no weight, five stories for one deck and roughtly the length of a good many foot ball fields.

This is WORSE the then Vampire's goofuped dimensions.

ALSO

The Glaze needs its own submission. YOU are NOT getting that in under the radar with it being apart of another submission Zack.

What would be more reasonable dimensions for a ship of this type?

I would also like to point out that I did make a separate submission for metamaterials, but it was deleted. I was told previously that the tech is approvable and it is fairly close to what is predicted to be capable with metamaterials in the future.

It's a scout ship with a ten person maxamum load. Try and think Zack.

I'd more go for something SMALL since that would mean it's less of a target.

And it's your ship. The conversion between meters and feet is 3.3 so get cracking.

Also. I am not talking about the metamaterial. I am spesfically refering to the GLAZE. I don't give a rats ass about the other materials, I want you to make a submission about that and explain how a Negative energy index is useful for relfecting/refracting sensors.

Uso, you really must mass produce the substance you are using that makes you think the glaze is realistic. It would make you rich. If you will read the metamaterial description to which your glaze links, you will find its properties are dependent upon the atomic structure of the material.

This has two important impacts to your use of it.

1) As a wide-band cloaking it will suck, since it can only divert a very small band of frequency. And no, do not say "oh, well in the future we can expand the range". No where that I have looked on this material does it even suggest that it will ever be functional except over a extremely small range.

2) Since its warping is based on its structure, this puts a upper limit on the frequency that it can deflect around the ship (in the range of 20-30 pm), which would prevent it from affecting anything above low-energy x-rays.

Oh, yes, and your NERD system was not approved. Since no approved write-up for a tachyon drive exists, you either need to create a new one (or attempt to rewrite the NERD system) or remove mention of a tachyon drive from this writeup.

Actually here: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/

b0b13ddbf6fed010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html (<-- put those two bits together, I've been told not to include long links ) It says that a thick shell could create a wider band of invisibility. It is also mentioned that visible light bending metamaterials have been created in labs. I think that would be enough to justify glaze existing in a sci-fi setting.

Also, this is a new tachyon drive, a simple STL system. No one found any faults with the concept and math behind using tachyon recoil as propulsion so I think it will be unlikely that someone will find something now.

Some one just did.

Nice try though.

Well, that means you need a layer for every frequency it bends. Every single one, if you want a wide-band cloak. Even with the current tech level, that is going to get very, very thick. It also mentions that not all of the energy is blocked, which means that visible-frequency lasers will still be effective and that a good sensor could still see the vehicle (note that it says any, not current, *any* metamaterial does this). And I see no rebuttal against my comments at this coverings faillng as armor versus high energy radiation (above low-energy x-rays max).

The article said shadow, not reflection. In space that would be as good as invisible because no radiation is returning to the sensor to detect. Against the background radiation of space it would be as good as invisible but naturally against something like the sun it would be merely hard to detect.


Thickness will determine effectiveness but even if it is a full meter thick it really isn't going to matter on a starship of this size. I would assume though that the material could be made thiner than an inch and very rapidly considering this setting has the capacity to build things on even a picto scale at high speed.


The material is going to be thick enough to include up to gamma rays at least. The most sending focused light and radiation at the thing is going to do is create a larger shadow. Considerable energy would have to be focused to generate enough heat to start to damage the material if you were trying to use a laser so I think that I can safely say that this would act as an effective armor against directed energy weapons like lasers, gasers, and masers.

So, you think a shadow on sensors will make people think otherwise of checking it out?

Are you really thinking that? Really? Jeez.

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Zack, what you posted does not contradict anything I said that limits it to photonic energies below those of low-energy x-rays. You cannot physically create a structure small enough for it to be close enough to the wavelength of these photons, so the covering would to nothing to them.

Also, since the function of the material for a given wavelength requires that its structure be near the wavelength of the photon, this means you cannot shrink the thickness of the material, relevantly of the technology level. Combined with the fact that each layer is only effective for one wavelength (or a very, very narrow band if we are being generous) and the massive numbers of quantizations of light means that the material would become extremely thick for it protect against any significant range of the spectrum.

Lastly, the occlusion the small absorption from this material would be visible to this settings sensor almost assuredly. You must remember there is a background radiation in space that this material would be blocking, giving it a slight shadow whether it is and whatever position a observer looks at it from.

edit; Thank you for posting that wes, I have been wondering how people did that ages now. Never got around to looking it up.

I would assume that nanometer level construction is possible in a setting with picto scale structures used in computing.

We are also talking about structures at least as small as the wavelength if not smaller. The metamaterial could technically be up to infinitely thin in size. In this setting we are probably talking about a material that need only be nanometers thick to cover the entire spectrum. I think it would end up in the mm-cm thickness range to accommodate the smart window features and full spectrum protection.

The material works in all directions, so even the background radiation is passed around the ship. Any shadow is going to be negligible because it will be covered up by the background radiation. At most if sensors were attuned to pick up the negligible shadow produced by the material in the electromagnetic spectrum they will pick up thousands if not millions of false positives from the background.

Zack, you do realize your stealth has an inherent flaw right?

Since this ship redirects all radiation spectrums, encluding background, that means it will leave behind a void in the sensor sweep.