Wouldn't that be kinda awkward for Yamatai anyway? Like 80% of their population is people in artificially grown bodies, so wouldn't that be no different from essentially growing a person intentionally brain dead or something and then using them as meat? I have a feeling that'd break many ethics laws in Yamatai. Even if that some how was legal...that's horrible PR for their international conferences.
~~Conference starts~~~
<Nepleslia> "So I heard you have a restaurant chain where your citizens can eat people, Yamatai."
<Everyone else> *Gives Yamatai a dirty look*
That just means Yamatai is freer than freedomland and makes better burgers as it isn't restricted on what ingredients it can use.~~Conference starts~~~
<Nepleslia> "So I heard you have a restaurant chain where your citizens can eat people, Yamatai."
<Everyone else> *Gives Yamatai a dirty look*
I don't think soldiers were really starving to death. They can eat rocks.Especially since it was Yamatai who made a giant fuss over Cannibalism to the point they'd let their soldiers starve to death over eating Mishhu rations.
In real life, I would jump for an opportunity to go eat somewhere that promised me the chance to eat ethically pure dead people. Because I love eating ethically dubious dead animals, I think I can handle eating people-- and I love to try new things.
What if these vat-grown meats were basically delicious bio-engineering monstrosities? For instance, some DNA was doctored to tell cells to divide in such a way that a flower-shaped structure of conjoined chicken wings were produced in the vat. No such creature has any limb like this, so you can't really say it's a crime against nature to eat something which doesn't exist.
If that's permissible, then say we use a pinch of data from Elysian DNA to tell the whole thing to be bigger and meatier? It's not really Elysian wings, the same way apes aren't really humans. Again, it's also a construction which never occurs in nature; so you're not really eating anything except a set of instructions some DNA gave to some cells.
However; if those things are permissible, what's to say it's not permissible to use DNA harvested from a willing candidate to clone a bunch of 'prosthetic' limbs for that individual? And if you can do that, why can't you eat them? Would the person who had the prosthetics grown be allowed to eat their own imitation flesh? Would they be allowed to share it with a friend? ("Taste my wings, Shuzen. Aren't they good?")
The problem with these sorts of moral judgments is that they wander into a philosophical gray area. Where does any government draw the line at 'sapient'? Could Nekoburger use biological data gathered from various races as the basis for vat-grown meats if they were heavily genetically modified? Could Nekoburger adapt existing designs with DNA from sentient races for a better product? I think, in order to really finish this company, a line needs to be drawn somewhere. It's not really the submitter's fault if people can't draw that line. I would be disappointed to see this submission rejected over that without some more clarification as to what's permissible and what's not-- and why those things are the way they are. "You shouldn't have to ask." Is also not a valid response, I think. With the technology existing in our setting, this kind of thing should've come up sooner if we're honest. In my opinion, this is probably something that will happen sooner or later on Earth anyway.
Are they Sapient? Are they at any point in their life span able to think on level of a human if let to live? You are comparing a sapient being to animals that are quite different.
https://stararmy.com/roleplay-forum...-anti-cannibalism-act.7432/page-2#post-122369The law says that, Any form of sapient eating was outlawed in Yamatai. Any form. Yamatai would rather see their soldiers -starve- to death behind enemy lines then even think about eating a Mishhuvythur Ration that may have. Somehow I doubt they'll go 'Oh civilians can eat all this stuff' when they won't even allow their own soldiers to eat rations when it means life or death.
Nashoba said:Fine so amended.
Proposal 89 - Anti-Sapient Consumption Act (ASC Act)
Purpose:
1. To prevent sapients from being used as a food source.
Proposal:
1. Add the following to the law: "It is a crime to knowingly and willfully consume the flesh of another sapient being without that person's written consent."
2. The convening court shall be entrusted with the decision as to whether or not extenuating circumstances are present, and a is within their purview dismiss charges for the same.
You are wrong and you stated what you said as if you have extreme confidence. You either lied or you misread. You are not a full faction manager. You are not Wes or Aendri. You are speaking as if you were some absolute authority which you are not. Who are you to tell me what Yamatai thinks definitively? I have just demonstrated superior knowledge. I have been a Yamataian player for over three years so as far as I'm concerned what I say matters too and the fact that I was allowed to vote in the senate discussion on cannibalism proves that. Maybe you should try letting actual FMs have their say instead of seemingly speaking for them. The bill was 7 to 8 and I actually switched my vote to Yes as Neko Burger wasn't a thought in my mind at the time. It wouldn't have passed without me and if we were to vote again I'd vote differently. I actually feel I should have voted NO now, not because I want this passed, but because banning it restricts what people can do such as in this case. Banning things is a one time form of enjoyment in RP, protesting and discussing things generates much more fun and creative expression than just saying no to them.Wes said:Re: Proposal 89 - Anti-Cannibalism Act
I vote YES for the law as last amended.
No my Kodian/Kohanian bear paw making won't cause any pain at any point. My company won't grow a whole being. Why do you assume this?Semjax said:Are they Sapient? Are they at any point in their life span able to think on level of a human if let to live? You are comparing a sapient being to animals that are quite different. You have to understand how human psychology works to understand exactly how this would effect someone. People, who think, feel, have -morals- would be outraged by this idea if it ever came to light that they were eating -people- whether it was different or not. A sapient being, such as a Neko, or a Nepleslian, is not the same as a bunch of chicken wings in a vat.
You are wrong about legality and you are speaking as if you were Wes, Nashoba or Doshii Jun. Please stop acting like that. Thank you.First of all I wouldn't really say those things were permissible. But let me pose this question to you. If you were given a dead arm and told to eat it would you? That is clearly the same thing as being given a 'prosthetic' arm grown in a Vat its, DNA thats disconnected from the body, which means its 'dead'. Willing candidate or not, Cannibalism is Cannibalism, whether its vat grown, willingly harvested or even if someone in a Will said they wanted their body used to feed homeless people. So no, I'd have to say that based on Yamataian Law, and many factions outlooks on Cannibalism to begin with, that no. You can't eat them, no you can't allow the person who grew the prosthetics to eat their own flesh, and no, they would not be able to share it with a friend.
You see, all these things could be avoided if kept in the secret of their house, but -you- are asking to put this out on market on several different planets without realizing how much of an outrage this would cause to billions upon billions of people in each world. Your Neko Burger would never ever logically even take off to making it to another world, or even past its first restaurant the moment the Governments realized you were serving sapient food. It doesn't matter what OOcly we think, in the end its what the setting would do, and that setting would destroy any chance of Neko Burger going anywhere, if it sold Sapient Food.
Long story short you have spoken as if you were a master or faction authority beyond Elysia when you aren't even the Elysian FM and you have been proven to be wrong on a major issue in your argument. You also aren't taking into consideration that a senate vote of 7 to 8 does not equal 70% disapproval.Long story short, the populous has no logical reason to accept this, and their morals would effect the growing of the business, and Neko Burger would most likely -never- reach the levels you desire it to see, at best it would probably be some crummy outshack over in Mishuu territory because the populous, while not played, is indeed its own force and life. They all have their morals, and over 70% of the people in the known factions would be against something like this.
This being said however, I'm far from a master of Yamataian/Nepleslian/Lor/Whatever Else Law.
You are not Site Manager or FM of Earth. You are one person. Lamb and I are two.These are the people you need to convince, They are the ones who hold majority control over the known factions and so far two of them have said no. The acceptance of eating sapient people, even vat grown and brain dead is highly unlikely to be accepted by any populous in the factions for reasons stated above. As for your comment on 'This will probably be something that happens sooner or later on earth'... That won't be for a very, very long time. While the peoples morals are skewered, Cannibalism is something that is still WILDLY taboo and something that is severely frowned upon even in the most primitive of countries. The only place you find such acceptance is in those places where civilized company does not really go. The idea of eating people as a total is morally sickening to a majority of the civilized world.
It sure seems like Semjax and you to a lesser extent are turning this into a discussion of present day morals and trying to enforce a world view/form of morality on the setting despite the fact that the setting could be hundreds of years in the future and none of us are qualified to say we can definitely know what the future will hold.Lamb being technologically advanced and aetheist does not mean it would make you turn to cannibalism. There are plenty of aetheist around today, and the vast majority of them would never even think about cannibalism.
And lastly, the reason the cannibalism is such a focus is because this is a resubmission. The other issues with the place have mostly been sorted out. Cannibalism is the only thing holding the place back really. It would most likely be approved if that was just taken out.
...since you rather get defensive then discuss this rationally, I will just abide by Aendri's wordings, and say the Elysians will not accept it. period.
And I would highly advise staying polite and civil, if you don't, we may be seeing a repeat of why the previous one got shut down.
So enjoy not having approval from Elysians.
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