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Jadg Wolf

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That kind of history is what I always complain about (also always rounded off with "the other stuff was all right though"). Your character can have training, that doesn't matter. Being reassigned for because he's a good sniper matters. That never happened in RP, and your character or you might not know anything about sniping. That sort of thing should happen in RP. The rest was all right though.
 
The history was less than a paragraph and nowhere close to excessive, why quibble over nothing?
 
Hold up Thad. Where do you think you get this sudden right to bitch at me about a history of a character I want to play on these boards? I don't see you playing a char here, so just butt the fuck out. It's not your place to criticize what other people work on unless you've got a character directly involved. I'm not the only one who feels this way either, I won't name names but I've heard that others would agree with me. What is wrong with this history? Huh? It doesn't have to have been played out...that is what it's callled a HISTORY, yeesh . I feel that as long as I didn't step on anyone's toes or name specific events that may be controversial and fuck with the RP Timeline, that should be fine.
 
I have to agree with Tyler and Tim, Thad. You really don't have any right to make comments about other people's character history, if you yourself don't even have a character in a plot. And you can't just hide behind Wolf waiting for this or that to happen before you will get into a plot, and therefore you have the right to just sit on the sidelines and yell at the players on the field about how they are screwing up. Get in the game, or get out of the stadium.
 
Get in the game, or get out of the stadium.
I'm going to have to agree as well. Basically, you need to join a plot, or leave the community, because from the looks of things, your impact here isn't positive in people's eyes.
 
Here we go again. You missed the entire point. I wasn't attacking you or really bitching at you. And yet you took it that way. Another funny thing is that you, Tyler, said "fuck" and Wes doesn't care, but if I had said it I'd've had my post edited or something. I might as well do what I've done before and talk about each post.

Tim: I was making an example. I wasn't expecting any argument, and definitely not agreement. I felt I needed to make the statement because that's what I usually do. No one seems to understand what I mean, and so I looked at this one, and I thought I saw, plain as day, what I talk about every time. I wasn't even telling him to change it, because I was expecting Wes to go ahead and say "Character approved."

Tyler: Just shut the fuck up. I've done this to many people (and no one seems to remember the times that I actually went "I like the history"), and I've never heard any complaints. If someone told me about it, maybe I'd shut up. Maybe. But yall just expect me to know? I like to think I've become at least a little more "civil" here than I was at the old boards, and I don't hear a lot of complaints about language. When I post about histories, it's usually ignored, but I do it anyway because I feel I should say something. Poems and stuff like that which have been posted I feel I should submit my honest criticism to. I'm not trying to just cut anyone down.

I didn't say "Histories have to be played out." That would be stupid. I said any major events like saving a whole bunch of people, getting mad at superiors, and that sort of thing should be RPed out and not included in the history to begin with. I think that gives it a fake edge because instead of the spontaneity you get in real RP, where things don't always go as you expect, you're controlling everything to shape your character the way you want. Maybe you want them to be a certain way, but you don't have to say their veterans or anything like that, and that's why I complain.

Tyler, James, Wes: If more people had told me that they didn't like my criticism of their character (I only remember Mia, and that too was a misunderstanding if I remember correctly) maybe I would have shut up already. You think this was a personal attack for some reason. Why? You remember I make it really obvious when I'm attacking someone.

I like to consider myself a member of this community. I know people don't like me. Frankly, I was pretty sure some people were thinking "Wolf needs to shut the fuck up, he never even RPs." I don't think I'm an asset or a big contributing member, and I've never claimed to be. You wrote a history, Tyler, and I've seen people before making suggestions about other people's bios.

James, as far as I remember this was the second time you misinterpreted a post of mine. Maybe you should read them and think a little before responding. I think other people have too, I just remember the whole argument about Chiharu when you immediately said I needed to back off. Wes, if some people keep misinterpreting my posts, maybe you should look at it my way before saying "Huh, people don't like you. You need to go fuck yourself, Thad."

And yes James, I actually was waiting for something. A while back I kept asking Wes if there were any missions I could send Wolf on. I wasn't doing anything, but I never wanted to join a plot, partially because my "plot" on the old boards didn't go anywhere, and because I think I'm not reliable enough. I hardly have the time to sit around and RP for several hours and I wouldn't like having to interrupt the RP. But these odd jobs I thought maybe I could do. Me and Wes already agreed that Wolf isn't technically ranked, but more like a mercenary again (at least, that's how I thought of it). He gave me the Naraku job, and of course, he plays her. I told him a few times I would be able to do it, he said he couldn't because he wasn't in the mood, or was thinking about how you (James) were complaining. I've really wanted to RP but it's been Wes who can't do it when I'm ready (and I guess it's me who can't do it when any of yall are ready).

Congratulations again on thinking I was yelling at/bitching about/attacking someone again when I was just trying to say something.
 
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I disagree, Jadg. That may be so for a character who is under a year old... but bear in mind the faction.

I think older characters SHOULD have events to fill their lives on occasion. Granted, many will simply have lived their lives like everyone else - but are there not people who HAVE led very interesting and/or eventful lives?

-Seki

http://www.stararmy.com/v-web/bulletin/ ... ight=#1920

For another thread of people disagreeing with your anti-social posts attacking people who are new to the forum.

"Jadg Wolf, I believe in constructive criticism and hence would take no offense... it's a shame though I believe your criticism was not in the least bit constructive.

To be honest unless you have truly thought your next post through I'm not interested in hearing it.

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To Yangfan and Tim:

Thank you I'm glad to be here, I apologise for the mix up and have edited it. ^_^

I've already spoken with Wes to figure out what is going on and he has been extremely helpful, I can hardly wait to get started."

-Mia from http://www.stararmy.com/v-web/bulletin/ ... ight=#1783

""Bitchy" is sort of a stupid adjective to use and the history was sort of big..."

-You in another bio thread



Honestly how can you possibly think that you haven't been antagonistic on half the threads you have posted in. Either you are bitching at Tyler, creating negative feedback towards new players, or making one line statements.
 
Oh, and in response to:

"I was making an example. I wasn't expecting any argument, and definitely not agreement. I felt I needed to make the statement because that's what I usually do."

That's a terrible reason to post. You shouldn't post along a trend just because you've done it in the past. You certainlly shouldn't post when you think it will just cause unnecessary hardship on the other RPers here. You aren't "making an example" of anything except for the fact that have been antagonistic. People are getting fed up with it.

Post what you feel is right and will bring a positive effect on the community. Don't post random stuff that makes people dislike you.
 
In Seki's post, it looked to me like she was disagreeing, not saying "No Jadg, you are wrong and I hate you because you're an asshole". I don't think I responded because that's her opinion, and arguing would have done nothing. As for Mia, I mentioned that in my previous reply. I talked with Wes because I did feel sort of bad about that. She and Wes had talked before and I believe she agreed to forget the whole thing.

The "bitchy" stuff was also meant to be constructive criticism. I said that my intent in pretty much each bio thread was to offer criticism, mainly about the history. I think you didn't post the part when I said "the rest was all right though". For some reason you people think I'm attacking Tyler. I don't understand where you got that notion, but I've told you that's not the case, and since I'm the one who posted the thing I think I know what I intended. I never intended to turn away new players either. You take my posts the wrong way. And if you have actually looked at half the posts to determine whether I was trying to be an asshole or not, why don't you quote them for me?

If people are fed up with it, why hasn't anyone told me? I don't doubt that, but how was I to be sure when everyone went to Wes instead of me?
If you have a problem with one of my posts, you should obviously come talk to me, not ask Wes to edit a post of mine or ban me or make me shut up or something. I was making (or trying to make, since everyone's taken it the wrong way) an example of what I complain about so that people might see what I mean more clearly. There was no antagonistic intent, and I'd know because I posted it. If it came off that way, maybe Tyler-or anyone for that matter-should have PMed me and tried to work this whole thing out instead of starting a big argument on the forums.

As for the trend thing, I see now that was a mistake. I shouldn't have posted because of that, but that was a small reason in the first place, only brought to light because of this argument questioning my intent and telling me how mean, useless, and stupid I am. If you think I'm any of those, maybe you should tell me, and not just expect me to change without any input.
 
Firstly, it's obvious that some people have disagreed with you and unless those confrontations were resolved, it would seem that a sizable portion of the playerbase would rather you not be so harsh in your critiques.
You take my posts the wrong way. And if you have actually looked at half the posts to determine whether I was trying to be an asshole or not, why don't you quote them for me?
You have about 150 posts, I read each and every one of them before posting the above comments.
 
Alright, Thad, since you want people to come to you and express their genuine feelings about you, here you go. I think you need to leave Star Army. You never participate in plots because they are not the way you want them to be, or you are not in control. It's funny, because I believe it was you who admonished me about doing that with Fenyar. You just stay in the OOC areas, and while they are an important part of the boards, they are not the reason the board is here.

I, for one, am really getting tired of you dead weight around here. You need to decide whether you are going to continue to be the "OOC jerk", who makes it difficult to get into the RP, or a contributing, and valuable, part of the RP scene.

You sit there yelling at everyone else's faults, but then when someone points out yours, you get all pissed and say that EVERYONE is against you. You know, the whole world wouldn't be out to get you, if you didn't take the first shots at it. And speaking of faults, here's a big one. You may think that you are being constructive and helpful, but you're writing style is very antagonistic. You can have the best intentions at heart, but the way that you write is always focused on the negative. It's always, "This history is wrong, (too long, too detailed, too involved), but the rest is okay." How about a little input on the good, how about "You're skills are perfect for the character you seem to want to play"? How about, "You're character is going to look really cool and be a positive addition to the characters and setting in the RP"? No, you don't seem to be able to do that. You did it to ONE character, where you told them you liked the idea of the character using a traditional bullet firing gun, instead of an energy pistol, but followed it up with "like Wolf did".

Everything has to be the way you want it, or it's crap, and that's why I'm putting my foot down and saying what I'm sure a lot of players are thinking, "Get into a plot, or get out of here. We don't need you, and could find someone better to take your place."
 
Actually, I've stated that the reason I'm not involved is because I don't have time. I don't think I've ever been in control of an RP, and I don't want to be. I want to play and have fun, but my current schedule lets me post but I hardly have the time to participate in hour-long JPs. And I've talked with Wes, and told him I don't like board RP. I've tried it, and I just don't want to do it. I don't even remember the Fenyar discussion, I just remember talking with Wes, and I remember you wanting to be in control. And I understand that, since it's your section of the RP and Wes may have been overbearing at times. But you wanted to change parts of the whole community and that just wasn't acceptable. I don't know where you got this notion that I want to be in control. Maybe it's my condescending/antagonistic posts. As for plots not being the way I've wanted, I do admit that I like action-oriented planetside RP, whereas most of the stuff here is space and character-oriented. But I've tried to get with Wes about that and RP with him, and that just hasn't been possible.

I guess I might come off as someone who doesn't even want to RP. I do agree that I'm dead weight and the only reason I'm here is because I was friends with Wes a long time ago. He's told me he wants to find a way to work through this that's beneficial for everyone without booting me. And I do appreciate your honest opinion about whether I should be here or not, but you'll remember me telling you that you needed to make up your own mind about staying or going, and that's what I'll do too, even if everyone tells me to get out.

The only faults I remember yelling at....nevermind, I don't remember yelling at anything. I do remember talking about histories, and saying I didn't like them. If a person was offended, they should have come to me and said "Your post really upset/pissed me off" and then I could have offered explanation or we could have worked it out. This whole argument started because Tyler and you others thought I was yelling at him, but I wasn't. That's one of the faults people pointed out. Another is my "antagonistic writing style" which I think is right. Had anyone said something before, maybe I would have changed the way I write and maybe avoided this argument altogether.

People pointing out my faults doesn't make me angry. The only reason I'm angry at all is because people took my post the wrong way. That may have been my fault, but Tyler should have talked to me instead of yelling at me in a public forum. I don't think everyone is against me. I know Zack said he agreed with me (before his post was edited for some reason) but I also know that I acted like a bit of a martyr at the old forums. If you haven't noticed, I've tried to change that. As for being more positive, I guess I could do that.

I said "like Wolf did" because I liked that he was using solid ammo. I didn't say that because I think everyone should be like me or Wolf. I guess I'm going to have to scrutinize every post from now on to make sure there can be no possible offense taken and it can't be interpreted any other way. I've said I don't want to be in control, which you think. The whole point about the histories was that they made the events go just the way they wanted to. By now, I'm sure everyone has completely missed that point every time I posted about histories.

As for not needing me, you should realize that the only person who has to be in this RP for it to work is Wes. Anyone but him could walk out and the community would be fine. I don't see this argument going anywhere and I don't think it's likely to stop before I leave the community, but I'm going to continue to defend myself. Maybe if I can find Tyler online we can try and work this out.
 
Unfortunately, Thad, you don't have the time to JP, and don't want to SP, there's nothing I can offer for you on an in-character basis. Starting another plot is just not something I think I can handle at the moment. I've been incredibly busy lately, with large endevours like the CCG2 and getting the older posts re-edited and put into book form (there are thousands and thousands of pages of text). I don't want to loose any quality in RP, so I've basically dedicated myself to the Nozomi plot. Unfortunately, plots outside the Nozomi (Like Naraku) have recieved barely any of my time. The new CCG doesn't even have non-StarArmy occupations listed on it yet. I've temporarily sacrificed some of the width of the RP (the options players have) for depth (the effort and detail into individual plots). At the same time, the new skill system counters this somewhat with a more flexible method.

The options haven't changed, though. We need you to contribute to the RP in a meaningful way and/or to find another RP. Star Army is not right for everyone. It's a shame you won't even try the Celia plot, though. If you can't get the RP experience you want here because of your online times, I'm not ashamed to help you search for one of the other quality RP sites out there that can.
 
This is by far one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Thad was pointing out something he didn't think flew right and next thing you know all you people are on his ass. Wes abruptly changes the subject to something clearly irrelevant. Just because Thad's not currently in a plot has nothing to do with his ability to critique things he thinks are wrong.

Basically, Tyler's whining like a little bitch and Wes is playing the mother figure and backing him up when he should either not say anything or get on Tyler's ass for being a whiny bitch.
 
Derran, it's mostly "Lenwe Veneanar" and myself that are disagreeing with Thad, not Tyler. He made one of the 10 or so posts in this thread that Thad haven't posted. Whether you or anyone else thinks that Tyler is being a "whiny bitch" has little relevance to me or to my contributions* to this thread/discussion. I think Thad has been having a negative adjustment on this board for a while now and should attempt to be either more social or less anti-social or both.



* Note please that I don't think that anything in this thread has been very constructive so far so contributions is probably too strong a word.
 
If you do go to the start of this thread, Thad was bringing up a good point. Instead of debate it Tim basicly said he didn't care what Thad had to say with his 'why quible over nothing part.

This is far from something small, putting things in your history that you haven't RPed is a very major part of role play. Your history builds your character and more importantly when you say you can do something and don't you come off as a total newbie. Quality RP is what this is all about.
 
Zack if we all had to RP our pasts inhistory, then newbies would never get a chance unless they were posting long before they actually make a char bio. That's no good. In the end, history is just that, history, someone can have along detailed one if they wish. Someone couuld detail their character's youth, adoloscensce, birth education etc. or have nothing at all. It's personal preference. I take it as good sign when they include specific events they may not have been a big part in it. but someone could say the were a soldier in the 2nd elysian war if they wanted as long as they don't stomp on other's toes or screw up the overal timeline.
 
Thats the ting, more often than not they do step on other people's toes. If your making a new character they don't have much of a history, that should develop as the character does.
 
"That kind of history is what I always complain about"

... and nothing good comes of it. That's what I'm talking about.

For the most part, if someone makes a new RP character, it isn't going to have consistent motives, it isn't going to have a direction, and it won't be as good an addition to the RP without a history. The character's background gives it direction and allows a person to begin the character's journey through the RP. Without history, it is just a person with a name.

Of course if someone put in that they had killed Yui or used to rule 1/2 of the galaxy, that would be stupid and they shouldn't. A character's history that doesn't effect the overall plot is usually fine. (Assuming no power character: MY KATGURL CAN SHOOT TEH LIGHNTNINGZ@!!! type of things)
 
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