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SAINT Kunoichi Special Operations Regiment

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master9147

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This is the SAINT Kunoichi Spacial Operations Regiment designed to be the absolute best of the best and I suspect it will probably be comprised mostly of PCs do to the elitist nature and special treatment PCs generally have over NPCs. This is a group for those that want to RP in the most dangerous and difficult missions behind enemy lines with little or no support. Its also perfect for use to RP invisible war scenarios between rivals common in cold war politics and also for use in dirty black-ops both inside and outside the empire to ensure the empires stability and survival. Kunoichi specific equipment is still pending.
 
Re: SAINT Kunoichi Special Operations Division

Feedback @ 12 Mar (19:42) for SAINT Kunoichi Special Operations Division


1 - Division is of a government or corporate entity.
SAINT is a military entity nested within an empire. Therefor, the correct term is Regiment.



2 - "unauthorized combat zones"
Conducting operation within the "unauthorized combat zones" of another government or entity is an act of war.



3 - The choice of the NH Series, culturally & psychologically
I do not believe NH series to be an ideal choice for such a delicate operation. It is known their action is less than subtle unless their age approaches that of a Nepleslian - therefor it would be best to begin with natural Yamatians and transplant them into specialized bodies.



4 - Flaws of the specific choice of NH series model 29-S alone
Heavy sensor equipment with de-rez them and the majority of facilities pack far more sophisticated sensor equipment. Masking human optical ranges alone (let alone the rest of the spectrum) will not hide them.

There is also the problem of variety within a team: a lack of versatility and diversity is a weakness which will break any team, regardless of how well trained because it will hider their perspective and capacity for innovation under pressure.
EXAMPLE:
Neko are used to the convenience of flight: They will whine when they must climb a rock face in the event of harsh conditions.



4 - The flaw of using Ninjitsu over modernized training.
You seem to be keeping the Ninjitzu for the sake of Psudo-Japanese glamor.

It is no longer effective, with the reality of ranged combat. Ninjitzu, for example, is actually incompatible with modern warfare scenarios (particularly counter-terrorism room-clearance which is far more effective).

While there are components of ninjitsu which may be useful, the fact we are now advanced enough to recognize cause/effect in our environment means modern man is probably more apt with a rifle and basic training than a Ninja with a full repertoire of armaments.

As such, this usage of ninjitsu should be depreciated in favor of simulated environment training.

In a fight, properly utilizing speed, aggression and surprise will defeat any enemy. SunTzu's Art of War correlates against this, as does real experience on almost every field of battle.



5 - Special equipment & tactical deployment

They will require specially designed equipment, capable of operating without maintanance or access to PANTHEON for extended periods of time. No such equipment exists in the Yamataian empire at this time capable of meeting these needs and PANTHEON communication networks are recognized, regardless of how small they are, as strategic threats when in locations they are not supposed to be.

Granted this equipment is still pending but the majority of the strength Yamatai wields is because of it's technology and communications network: Not because of superior training or tactical behavior (it is worth noting that Yamatai in it's current state could have completely wiped out the Mishhu many OOC months ago had they properly organized themselves - however, I suspect there to be an IC motive behind this).

6 - This is a group for those that want to RP in the most dangerous and difficult missions behind enemy lines with little or no support.
This means blending in. Missions behind enemy lines for extended periods rely very heavily on being able to scout early on and gather intel for what may perhaps be months or years and then utilize equipment you've hidden to take out the target and bring the information home.

Again, NH-29S are not ideal. They do not have conventional life-signs, cell signatures and are highly identifiable, their religious and behavioral oddities to nations aside.



6 - Specific role? Conflicted
From what I can tell, the specific role of this group is actually very conflicted. On one hand, you toat them as a highly specialized assault team who can go somewhere and "clean up" other people's mistakes.
For example, if a particular crew of a particular StarArmy vessel made a boo boo, your kids show up and mop up, making sure there's no out-cry or argument.

On the other hand, you mention infiltration. Because of the scope of government and corporate defense, infiltration on such a scale would take between months to years IC, with agents sneaking in and delivering intel.

The real way special operations groups work in deep-penetration roles is thustly:
They typically camoflage at a decent distance from their target (whether in civilian life or actual tactical camoflage). They then disguise themselves to meet with an agent or to analyze the situation up close without being spotted.

Then they await special equipment to eliminate the target or capture it or they dig up/locate equipment that was dropped with them initially, arm it up and conduct what to the enemy seems like a normal raid.
During said raid, they may use the cover of confusion to capture their special objective or as a cover for another team acting independently before they make their EVAC and return to a rendervois point or make it to an LZ and switch positions with another team or escape.

If someone is critically injured, the decision is usually made to leave them behind because they will slow the group down. None of this "no man left behind" bullshit US forces gabber on about. You jepordize the survivability of the overall unit by doing so.



- M. Alchanter, Ex-SAS operative,
SAS MISSION IMPOSSIBLE reconstruction, Discovery Channel

Synopsis:

It's worth investigating and running through an example of what you want this force to actually do. It reads like you're trying for something half way between The Unit and Ghost in the Shell's Section Nine in terms of what you are trying to achieve.

Although this was a brash response, it is precisely what you need.
My family have a history in the British military and I go out of my way to stay educated. Hopefully, this information will be useless for you.

To tell the truth, I'll be disappointed if the Neko don't get a noddy-suit and reasonable NBC-A training (the A is for Aether/Antimatter lol)
 
Re: SAINT Kunoichi Special Operations Division

I think this is a good idea, but needs some work.

1. Empress connection
In my opinion it would be best to leave the empress in the dark. Give her plausible deniability.

2. Well Known
If the group is supposed to be covert operations, then you don't want it to be known at all. Probably not even to most upper members of SAINT.

3. Neko models
I slightly disagree with Osaka. I think Neko's are fine for the final form, heck even fine to start from, but they should have expierience. Yamataians should be allowed as well(they can change bodies), like Osaka said variety is good.

NH-29R
I agree with Osaka that this isn't the ideal Neko model, here is my reason. The stealth. It's awesome that it can cloak, but you have to get nekid first, then something as common as a thermal sensor can see you anyway. I recommend the NH-29H. The model appears human, you could probably even taylor it to look Nepleslian, Geshrin, or whatever else you wanted. It is a visual cover, because for infiltration ideally you want to get hired and gain access 'legally'.

Of course, the fact is the 29H IS a 29 model neko and has the full combat potential of the series so when it comes down to it, she is just as good. Plus you get to wear clothes :) . In order to gain cloaking you could wear a shroud suit anyway.
 
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Shrowd suits don't exist yet. I was discussing the concept on the channel.


If you're interested, OP, basically it entails a skinsuit under your clothing. Push comes to shove, you activate it and your thermal profile dissapears, along with your bio-readings but the suit becomes very warm. The outer-skin also becomes a passive cloaking system.

It has some basic pockets around the waist and hips so if you want to tranq someone and steal their uniform, it's ideal because you can also throw a cloak over the body while you get changed.

The downside is you're vulnerable while doing so and you have to leave the cloak over the body or dispose of it.

It's ideal if there's vegetation in your environment.
 
This really isn't required. SAINT does this just fine, we really don't need to break things up further.

Limits RP ability, really.

Penguin stamp of disapproval.


Not that I have official say in anything, mind, however it makes me look nifty and official. Which I'm not. Again, see: Not.
 
Osakanone said:
4 - Flaws of the specific choice of NH series model 29-S alone
Heavy sensor equipment with de-rez them and the majority of facilities pack far more sophisticated sensor equipment. Masking human optical ranges alone (let alone the rest of the spectrum) will not hide them.

There is also the problem of variety within a team: a lack of versatility and diversity is a weakness which will break any team, regardless of how well trained because it will hider their perspective and capacity for innovation under pressure.
EXAMPLE:
Neko are used to the convenience of flight: They will whine when they must climb a rock face in the event of harsh conditions.

I just want to take this to task.

Osaka is assuming and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Nekovalkyrja are soldiers. They don't whine like that, anymore than Nepleslian soldiers would. They're designed to be self-sufficient military units. "Hindering perspective and capacity for innovation under pressure?" By your argument, all-human militaries are weak because they're all human. You could make the argument as well that because poor black people are used to living in the ghetto, they would make better urban fighters than black people living in the suburbs.

That's a crappy argument, Osaka, and it's worded even more poorly. I'd expect you to know better than that.
 
OsakanOne you make some valid points.

1. I stand corrected.

2.Exactly, this why this kind of unit was created in the first place. Strict plausible deniability is the name of game here, if you get captured or killed we will disavowal all knowledge of your existence and if all else fails self-termination and vaporization will be required.

3. I have to disagree with you here. While its true Nekos are basically clones with common personality quirks but I have not seen two with the same personality and attitude. From what I gather Nekos developed there own unique personalities based on life experiences and challenges.

4. I think I see your point. I originally meant the Kunoichi to be an all female unit thats why I chose that name. So it will be simpler to just open it to both Yamats and Nekos and use regular soul transfers in variant bodies based on the mission profiles. As for the training, that was not really the intent I was trying to potray so I toned down the ninjitsu stuff and gave more emphasis in training in modern tactics.

5. Like I said the technology is still pending but you do bring up some interesting arguments that I'll have to take into account when/if I get to that point. Also I won't lie, advance stealth and cloaking technology will be required, I'm just afraid I'm going to have a really hard time trying to get any approved.

6. Like I said in number three, it will be easier if I just let in varied units. As for there specific role, I never tried to describe them as "cleaners" or the secret police and if I did that was a typo on my part but the latter part your pretty much dead on as this was mostly inspired my the Metal Gear Solid seres and various other black ops video games.

PS
I'm a slow typer took me an hour to make this response.

mizunoyoroko said:
I think this is a good idea, but needs some work.

1. Empress connection
In my opinion it would be best to leave the empress in the dark. Give her plausible deniability.

2. Well Known
If the group is supposed to be covert operations, then you don't want it to be known at all. Probably not even to most upper members of SAINT.

3. Neko models
I slightly disagree with Osaka. I think Neko's are fine for the final form, heck even fine to start from, but they should have expierience. Yamataians should be allowed as well(they can change bodies), like Osaka said variety is good.

NH-29R
I agree with Osaka that this isn't the ideal Neko model, here is my reason. The stealth. It's awesome that it can cloak, but you have to get nekid first, then something as common as a thermal sensor can see you anyway. I recommend the NH-29H. The model appears human, you could probably even taylor it to look Nepleslian, Geshrin, or whatever else you wanted. It is a visual cover, because for infiltration ideally you want to get hired and gain access 'legally'.

Of course, the fact is the 29H IS a 29 model neko and has the full combat potential of the series so when it comes down to it, she is just as good. Plus you get to wear clothes :) . In order to gain cloaking you could wear a shroud suit anyway.

1. Good point all empress references were removed. I was going with a "the emperor is worshiped like a god" argument.

2. I agree with you totally and Osaka is mistaken and I think Doshii made the point for me better then I can ever make it.

3. Your probably right on this point. I originally meant it to be a all female unit and NH-29S sounded convenient but I opened up to everybody.
 
1. You're really not going to have much plausible deniability with 29S Nekos, considering that they're restricted by the government to certain individuals. Yamatai would be in some fairly hot water diplomatically if Nepleslia/ Elysia/ Etc. found a bunch of S-variants snooping around one of their bases looking to kill some people.

2. Hey! My guys already worship their boss as a god!

3. You should probably run the article through Word's grammar checker. There are a pretty fair amount of typos in there.
 
I think it would of been great if you would of contacted me about this first...considering it is me who runs SAINT. :|
 
Submission rejected.
 
Andrew said:
I think it would have been great if you would have contacted me about this first...considering it is me who runs SAINT. :|

Eh... You are? Oh my god I am so sorry. If your not ok with this then I'll just scrape it right now, no harm done.

Wes said:
Submission rejected.

Is that final?
 
I would assume it isn't final.

However, I deeply encourage you to discuss the idea with Andrew FIRST! :)

Osaka is assuming and he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I was running of information I heard from Hanako IC while on the Sakura and I've used Hanako as a base-model for NH combat behavior.

Maybe it's because I see NH as glorified house-pets, since the starships do all the hard work. A captain exists only to motivate the crew unless they're supremely skilled.

I feel kind of bad about that, to be honest. I don't know them as well as I think I do, clearly - and the attitudes of my characters have been rubbing off on me.
 
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