Toshiro
Inactive Member
I never thought I'd be submitting a request for some kind of standardization, but some is needed. You see, I'm very interested in submitting a submarine for the SAoY for combat purposes, and I know that Dusk wants a system in place so the Azoreans can as well. I'm having trouble understanding exactly what Dusk wants, but I do know he wants Azorean submarines to be the fastest in the setting to match up with the race's development in water.
The kind of sub I want to make would be constructed based on these principles -- but for it to work, a standard system would have to be set for underwater combat.
First, the below would set the level of combat not to starship scale, but to a more terrestrial scale.
Fred made the recommendation of converting the submarine's equivalent starship size class' structural points into armor structural points points to help facilitate this, and giving the ship an ADR rating.
I also think that a submarine's hull would have to be extra thick to facilitate the pressures and also handle that much damage...so I am considering using the new starship stat table but instead either cutting the SRP pool in half, or simply making a sub the next lowest size class -- probably the former since it allows smaller subs and penalizes larger ones more harshly. This should serve multiple purposes:
I would also like Mines, Thermonuclear Missiles (water to surface) and Biological Agents (water to Surface) to be considered under "Utility" other than weapons, as they are indiscriminate, and can help keep a ship in a specific niche rather than dumping it all in shields and weapons.
Each new entry below is in addition to the lines above it.
The submarine I'm interested in making would look something like this, if the above were used (note that 12 [10 x 1.2] points to be distributed have been halved):
Another way to limit the submarine to terrestrial levels aside from cutting its points in half could be to make a different point scale entirely, and do it in such a way that the removal of CDD and Fold would not make up the difference -- but that could go against Dusk's wish for Azorean craft. As such, I don't know if that would really work. I really think Utility should be applied to the missile-based long range NBC weapons, and require a moderate level in it.
Essentially, I want everyone on the same page on this -- to come to some agreement so my sub wouldn't be the only one puttering around out there without Plasma Cannons or something like that. Some people say not to even use a stat system since it's not a starship. Dusky, please give input since this concerns you too, and if this is in the wrong location or in a restricted permissions location, please move it where anyone can see it. >.>
The kind of sub I want to make would be constructed based on these principles -- but for it to work, a standard system would have to be set for underwater combat.
First, the below would set the level of combat not to starship scale, but to a more terrestrial scale.
Fred made the recommendation of converting the submarine's equivalent starship size class' structural points into armor structural points points to help facilitate this, and giving the ship an ADR rating.
I also think that a submarine's hull would have to be extra thick to facilitate the pressures and also handle that much damage...so I am considering using the new starship stat table but instead either cutting the SRP pool in half, or simply making a sub the next lowest size class -- probably the former since it allows smaller subs and penalizes larger ones more harshly. This should serve multiple purposes:
I would also like Mines, Thermonuclear Missiles (water to surface) and Biological Agents (water to Surface) to be considered under "Utility" other than weapons, as they are indiscriminate, and can help keep a ship in a specific niche rather than dumping it all in shields and weapons.
Each new entry below is in addition to the lines above it.
The submarine I'm interested in making would look something like this, if the above were used (note that 12 [10 x 1.2] points to be distributed have been halved):
Another way to limit the submarine to terrestrial levels aside from cutting its points in half could be to make a different point scale entirely, and do it in such a way that the removal of CDD and Fold would not make up the difference -- but that could go against Dusk's wish for Azorean craft. As such, I don't know if that would really work. I really think Utility should be applied to the missile-based long range NBC weapons, and require a moderate level in it.
Essentially, I want everyone on the same page on this -- to come to some agreement so my sub wouldn't be the only one puttering around out there without Plasma Cannons or something like that. Some people say not to even use a stat system since it's not a starship. Dusky, please give input since this concerns you too, and if this is in the wrong location or in a restricted permissions location, please move it where anyone can see it. >.>
