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TX-01 - Lorath Weapons Platform

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I am reviewing this, intend to complete review NLT than 7/25
 
Here are some my initial findings

Missing - The in-character year of creation/manufacture
Violates - Speeds in compliance with the Starship Speed Standard (Maximum speed for Very Advanced is .375c)
Lacking detail - Damage Capacity

Wouldn't it make more sense to use the 12-Inch Drone Variant rather than an artillery shell version?
 

I figured the 12-inch drones would take up too much space.

Damage Capacity: What exactly do you mean? I'm not sure what needs to be detailed in this regard. DR numbers and SP have already been written up, so what else do I need?

Missing Info: That wasn't on the starship template, but I'll put it in anyway. It's YE33, right? I started working on this three years ago, so I guess it'd be Date of Creation YE30, Date of Manufacture, YE33. I'll add that in.

EDIT: I noticed what happened. When you had me change the SP numbers, you were looking at the type of armor I'd picked rather than the actual stats I'd used. I had Duremium picked, but the stats were still displayed as if the ship was using Light armor. That's been fixed, the SP, Armor type, and speed are now consistent. My bad.

EDIT 2: I noticed you put that the max speed for Very Advanced is .375c. This is incorrect, the DR page states otherwise: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=damage_rating

"Armor Modifiers

Various armor types can modify SPs and STL Speeds

Medium Yama-Dura, Structol, Duremium 0.8 +.025c .40c "
 
Are you supposed to be using Duremium? I'm pretty sure you have to get an Okay from Soresu in order to use that.
 
SSharp said:
Frown-Chan, you read the wrong article for the speeds.

Here is the correct one: https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=starship_speed_standard
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That doesn't make any sense. I'm pretty sure the articles are congruous. If they're not, then I can just give my ship the heaviest possible armor without any penalties to speed.

See why it doesn't make sense? =P

Also, yeah, Doc is the one who suggested I use Duremium in the first place, actually.
 
Uh, no, major issue: Starship Speed Standard.

This submission cannot go .4c. I'm putting this back until the issue is resolved, sorry. It's rule number 6 of the submission rules. .4c is not in the starship speed standard, and I doubt even .375c is available for the Lorath -- last I checked, they aren't in the 'very advanced' category.

Pending.
 
SSHarp, you're wrong. Read the wiki. The article on damage ratings clearly states that by reducing your total SP, you can increase the speed of ship, and even puts the maximum above 0.375c. If you want to change that rule, then you should bring that to Wes, instead of punishing me for following it.

It's also 100% obvious that the DR article is congruous with the speed article. Here's why:

If what you're saying is true, and the Starship Speed Standard (which doesn't even mention the possibility of lowering armor to increase speed in the article, by the way) ignores the DR article, then the Tarantula, as it is, would automatically be lowered to .375c. If this is the case, then there's nothing stopping me from simply adjusting it to have the most powerful armor available, since it's a high-risk, high-reward investment, and the UMC would have no qualms with making it less likely to blow up.

Basically, it's absolutely nonsensical to have a universal standard that all ships of a specific technological level would have to conform to, because then there would never be any variation in the level of protection versus speed versus firepower on any of those ships. Every single ship of say, "advanced" level, would move the same speed regardless of whether it's a starfighter, a frigate, or a colony ship.

Right now, the Tarantula uses Duremium armor as its base armor, which is what decided its total SP and it speed. If you were to say, "the maximum speed of any starship is .375c (period)," then there would be absolutely no point in using anything but the toughest armor available for my ship, because I'd get no reward for using anything less, and no penalty for doing so.

So, what say you, SSharp?

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that the DR article, which you're claiming is incorrect, even LINKS to the Starship Speed Standard article in the exact same sentence as it says "various armor types can modify SPs and STL speeds," and shows a table below in which 0.45c is the maximum possible speed without armor.

EDIT 2: Here are a few ships which are already approved and conform to the same rule that you're saying is wrong.

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=pt ... eroshuttle

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=ka ... _prototype

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=mo ... s:my-t1-1a

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=elysia:lilaea

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=st ... edo_bomber

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=st ... _30_escort (this one even specifically states that the speed is a result of a bonus from having less SP)

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=mi ... irv_escort (This is way bigger than the Tarantula and goes .45c!)

EDIT 3: Also, keep in mind that while this weapon is going to most likely be used exclusively by the Lorath due to contracting limitations, the UMC developed it, NOT the Lorath government. The UMC has access to the technologies of all of it subsidiaries, which includes Motoyoshi Fleet Yards and NovaCorp, both of which have many ships that go 0.375c and faster.
 
SSharp,

The Speed is not an Issue.

I made my decision based on both documents, and my take is that the starship speed page is the base speeds, which are then modified by the armor applied.

Which is what the DR page states, so until a different discussion happens to change that.

This is Approved for .4c

The Tsubame Prototype Fighter a Yamatai design was cleared by Wes so .4c is possible.

Approved.
 
I don't understand how the Lorath can be considered 'very advanced'? My objections still stand, I simply think you're wrong. I'm in the process of clearing this whole mess up, because it's asinine that the Starship Speed Standard should be ignored for the DR article. As well, I don't care about what came before. It's gotten to the point where everyone who doesn't like a Tech Mod decision just cites some old articles or exceptions to try and get past their decisions.

This is so incredibly insane that we have to visit the same issues over and over again (speed, damage, etc.) because we can't have a clear set of rules for submission. I'm sorry it came down on you Frown-Chan, but it did, and it may be my fault. The fact remains this charlie foxtrot is a reflection on the Tech Mods and Staff.
 
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