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Closed I propose a idea: non power armored units should be allowed to use and make teir 4 weapons.

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ShadowWalker

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Given the state of the wiki and lack of a proper if any hard ruling on things I propose an idea. Non power armored infantry can use weapons up to tier 4, I have a couple reasons for this and in a moment, I'm going to go over them with you all.


the statement "It's too powerful for an infantry man to have one." This doesn't really hold up well as an excuse, often doweled out as an excuse by older members and game masters. Yet a quick search threw the wiki you will find a varying degree of weapons that not only meet tier 4 (anti light power armor but sometimes exceed that). The Mutagenic Assault weapon and the lepra are some examples of this, the MAW, for instance is a teir 5 (anti medium power armor) weapon made by the star army and non-power armor infantry can use it without issue. and the Rythankins have a teir 4 pistol that you don't need power armor because "its anti-matter."


Another reason as stated above is no one seems to ever want to fallow the teir 4 or higher is limited to power armor due to rule of cool or some reason. and when you bring it up to them their cookie cutter response it "its sci fi, the calibers and stuff don't make sense that's just how it is." but such a statement interferes with what they said above. So either there's really a rule that states that or its a opinion that is chosen to be followed by certain people and not for others.

So, with the fallowing examples showing that there's either a lack of understanding how to treat the ruling when it comes to sci vs convential or semi realistic weapons. or due to wanting to do the rule of cool, the tier four weapon types being used by non-power armored individuals is a touchy subject so to solve headaches i think non power armored individuals should be able to have infantry weapons of at maximum tier 4 weapons. to not only solve this problem and put it to bed but also allow people in character who may play independents to still have a fighting chance when they can't afford power armor.
 
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A tier 4 weapon can be carried by infantry, it's just heavy/awkward/requires special consideration. A tier 5 weapon should be nearly prohibitively heavy and awkward but still possible. Tier 6+ I don't think should be possible by a single person. However, a T6 could probably be broken down and carried/used by two people. (Think sniper/spotter or heavy machine gun type thing)
Just looking at the needs of a military if Mechs are a major threat out there, I'd want a missile system that I can give to a squad or strap to a pickup truck that could reliably kill one.
 
As this is more of a rules thing not lore, I have moved this to suggestions. This means everyone can and should vote on it.
 
But I still want to go on record that I think individual infantry can a) fire overtier crew served weapons and b) can fire single-round things like LAWs.
 
Letting individuals outside of power armor use lightweight rapid-fire Tier 4+ weapons would drastically lessen the survivability of power armor within the setting - and I feel fairly confident when I say that such a thing would severely conflict with a core element of Star Army.

With the Homecoming thread, Shadow has proven that power armor, has its uses, but is not nearly as survivable as one may think, resulting in the deaths of sixteen player characters.

Also, the Storm Rifle is kind of exactly that. It's designed for the normal person to be able to pick up a power armor trooper or infantryman's gun and fight off an advancing power armor equipped force. Or, more professionally, a fireteam of basic, non PA infantry to survive and be able to defeat reliably, an encroaching PA squad or megafauna threat.
while the 2B model of the second Storm RIfle version is mounted and, to the best of my knowledge
The SR2B is mounted, on a starfighter as a main gun, on a CIWS as a point defense gun, on a tripod as a similar role to Ma Duce, on a turret mount on a mobile gun truck or as a turret gun for a CROWS or other weapons system, and is a tier 6, firing T4 rounds at the same ROF and stable shot grouping as the SR2A to achieve the same 2 tier jump.

It's not designed to drop buildings. It's designed to give us a fighting chance against things that peel power armor apart like tin cans full of gooey gooey human soup.
 
Just looking at the needs of a military if Mechs are a major threat out there, I'd want a missile system that I can give to a squad or strap to a pickup truck that could reliably kill one.

Yes, but at that point it's a team effort/a light truck not a single individual. In the setting, it's easier to just give people powered armor.


Far as I can tell, Star Army typically has two 'sweet spots' in terms of power compared to other elements in the setting. The first is Powered Armor. While you could not be in powered armor and still fight, you are doing so at a huge disadvantage. And Mecha/Fighters are awesome, but still kinda a step down from Powered Armor in a lot of ways. The second sweet spot is the Starship range ( 10-12). Where you have a ship big enough to do damage be versitile, but still relatively 'cheap'.
 
Yes, but at that point it's a team effort/a light truck not a single individual. In the setting, it's easier to just give people powered armor.
The training curve/price for giving Yusuke from the block an NLAW and a jeep is way lower than training a soldier in full power armor. And they'll do the killing pretty quickly and simply
 
With the Homecoming thread, Shadow has proven that power armor, has its uses, but is not nearly as survivable as one may think, resulting in the deaths of sixteen player characters.
Fair enough, and I was going to reword that part you quoted once I got back to my dorm - as while walking back to said dorm I realized that it sounds rather… overconfident or arrogant.
 
The training curve/price for giving Yusuke from the block an NLAW and a jeep is way lower than training a soldier in full power armor. And they'll do the killing pretty quickly and simply

TLDR; no it's not.

Powered armor is at the 'just put it on and it works' stage. Your standard infantry training is with powered armor. While some elite troops might fight dismounted, the vast majority fight in powered armor. If I'm taking 'Yusuke from the block' and taking him to war, I'm going to give him a powered armor and the appropriate weapons with that. Not a jeep with a NLAW.
 
Also, the Storm Rifle is kind of exactly that. It's designed for the normal person to be able to pick up a power armor trooper or infantryman's gun and fight off an advancing power armor equipped force. Or, more professionally, a fireteam of basic, non PA infantry to survive and be able to defeat reliably, an encroaching PA squad or megafauna threat.
The one critical thing to note about the Storm Rifle, and why I did restrict it to PA troops in the NDC, is that it breaks the conventions that other personnel-useable anti-PA or higher weapons abide by. It's not single-shot, it's not slow firing, and despite those two things it's not hard to move/crew served so there's no balancing factor. You pull the trigger as fast as you please and the gun fires off a burst every trigger pull.

Plainly and simply, it's a power armor rifle that infantrymen can use, and that's a break from site convention, so I've tried to avoid causing problems by avoiding the situation of having to say "My non-PA infantry get to use PA rifles." That's why non-PA NDC infantry use the Sickle (aside from the fact that Whisper made us great art for it)
And Mecha/Fighters are awesome, but still kinda a step down from Powered Armor in a lot of ways.
I actually disagree with this, they're different pieces of equipment with different upsides and downsides. PA's main benefit is that you can bring a tougher combatant anywhere that a normal infantryman can go, with weapons that a normal infantryman can't use for various reasons. A fighter or mecha's main benefit is chiefly in the concentration of firepower and its application on a per-soldier basis.

However, a fighter or mecha can't go everywhere a PA does, since they're bigger, and a PA can't carry anywhere near as much firepower as a mecha does, because it's smaller and its got less juice in its reactors and batteries. There are also very important differences in durability.

Edit: To clarify, I love the storm rifle, but I love it as a power-armor-utilized weapons system, or as a vehicle-mounted weapon. What I don't love is the idea of being forced to change it because normal infantry use it on the regular, or the chance of starting an arms race for non-PA-utilized anti-PA rifles and pistols etc.
 
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Plainly and simply, it's a power armor rifle that infantrymen can use, and that's a break from site convention, so I've tried to avoid causing problems by avoiding the situation of having to say "My non-PA infantry get to use PA rifles." That's why non-PA NDC infantry use the Sickle (aside from the fact that Whisper made us great art for it)
I understand this. It is noted in the article that it was originally designed to run off the power system of a Revenant, but when made wireless by using the nuclear battery pack, the idea changed to an infantry usable heavy or superheavy assault rifle. While it is still infantry usable, it's typically used by PA because it uses a 4lb magazine and only holds 80 shots. (Assuming you don't flip the damn thing to full auto and chainfire the whole mag in less than thirty seconds.) I imagine the main limiter is ammo weight, where a full combat load of even six mags is going to be gruelling for a standard infantryman.

The fact that it's still useable by standard infantry is simply to allow someone to pick up a downed power armor trooper's weapon and provide the same heavy fire support.

That's why non-PA NDC infantry use the Sickle (aside from the fact that Whisper made us great art for it)

Whisper also made the art for the SR2
 
I understand this. It is noted in the article that it was originally designed to run off the power system of a Revenant, but when made wireless by using the nuclear battery pack, the idea changed to an infantry usable heavy or superheavy assault rifle. While it is still infantry usable, it's typically used by PA because it uses a 4lb magazine and only holds 80 shots. (Assuming you don't flip the damn thing to full auto and chainfire the whole mag in less than thirty seconds.) I imagine the main limiter is ammo weight, where a full combat load of even six mags is going to be gruelling for a standard infantryman.

The fact that it's still useable by standard infantry is simply to allow someone to pick up a downed power armor trooper's weapon and provide the same heavy fire support.



Whisper also made the art for the SR2
I idea of someone picking up a light enough PA Rifle and firing it prone or supported somehow while trying to not hurt themselves doesn't bother me. It's the idea of someone that isn't heavily strength augment/skeletal reinforced or an ID-SOL going around using heavy Tier 4 weaponry like an M4 in a CoD match...
 
I don't think an ID-SOL is Tier 0, so it's a bit diff.
 
I don't think an ID-SOL is Tier 0, so it's a bit diff.
Why I mentioned it. They are literally the only people (with maybe one other exception) that isn't an Eihei Neko that could pull acting like a faux Power Armor.
 
They hueg. big metal people prob tier 4 or 5 as is? at least tier 3
 
I'm pretty sure Retired Sergeant Majors just drive taxis around bases

They all seemed to be one from what they said when they would take my fares.
 
I idea of someone picking up a light enough PA Rifle and firing it prone or supported somehow while trying to not hurt themselves doesn't bother me. It's the idea of someone that isn't heavily strength augment/skeletal reinforced or an ID-SOL going around using heavy Tier 4 weaponry like an M4 in a CoD match...
I mean outside of ID-SOL and neko's, androids and super soldiers would also be able to.
so yeah, I can agree to the idea that if the tier 4 weapon is anti-material rifle, semi or bolt action infantry can use it but if its automatic in needs to be braced on something or mounted.
 
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