Excuse me... I'll interrupt this renewed attempt of character assassination on Fred to point out... what's the name of the wiki page again? I thought it was
Fred's Damage Rating Revision. What am I? I'm a game designer with a few project on my belt; if I don't have the confidence that I know what I'm doing, no one else will have it for me. It's like when a parent makes a decision for his/her children; they might not agree, but the parent can still be persuaded that the action being done is for thier own good.
It's something that I've been sitting a couple of years on, piddling, tweaking and such based on an extensive amount of observation on how people used the previous one, what they picked, what they didn't, and how to make it more approchable to a newcomer. At some point, a thread opened up for discussion on this very topic, with mechanically mostly the same thing, it became out there debate because some people saw it on the wiki, liked what they saw, and asked that it happen. For a good while, I was asking people to help me make it better, weighted pros and cons, etcetera.
No, it doesn't catter to every preference, but that's because I wanted it to stick to its mission as a narrative tool more than something as incremental as the current DR system is for one-upping and arms races in the NTSE - if there's one-upping to be done, my goal was that it be done by the text description.
I won't deny that Eisthied has invested a lot of effort in helping the readability of the article, and I too appreciate that. And Eistheid was kind enough to keep interest on this while I considered it on ice for further consideration, but with Wes' consent, he put it up in the NTSE forum for approval. But make no mistake, this is my submission. Like every other submission out there, something was created, and now I want it judged by the NTSE mods for what it is. Either it gets Approved on its own merit, or it doesn't and then goes back to the drawing board.
This is not the one way street you're making it. Eistheid is being really nice with you, trying to reach a compromise, but there's been no brainstorm that I've been implicated to try to work on the pros and cons of making changes. The changes done, are effectively changes done behind my back - and as I understand it, this would not be acceptable with any other submission process. I've gotten no communication, no PMs, no invites to join people in chat to talk it out. I had goals too in doing this, and
maybe I still want them to be met. Considering that the feedback has gone from scathing and demeaning from the very beginning of this thread, answer me this: should I actually reward your attitude? If you want cooperation, you need to appeal to that of others as well... and I've seen scant little of that for all the talk about respect and all. Maybe I'm reluctant to be bulldozed over by other people, especially when they are applying double standards - imagine that!
There's a distinct difference between:
"Hey, the ship you're doing - it has nice art and I want to use it, so me and my mates are going to pull the carpet from under your feet, and decide how your creation is actually going to turn out; sucks to be you, mate
"
and
"Hey, sorry man, I didn't pay attention when you presented this to people to comment and give feedback on; I missed out, but I really care about where this is going since it's going to be important to the faction/setting; mind just freezing the submission process so we can go back on to the drawing board. I get what you are trying to do, but there are these oversights that really bug me - surely a compromise can be reached."
I've been more than reasonable in my approach, and I maintain the right to defend myself and what I've worked on so far. So, sorry no, Koenig, I don't really buy your "disgrace" bit. Most of the drama going on is drama not of my own making. If I was really out of line, I don't think Wes, Nashoba and Doshii Jun would have taken it sitting down and twiddling thier thumbs idly.
So, you can either keep trying to make me butthurt - which hasn't worked very well so far - or try to be constructive. DocTomoe hasn't been in complete agreement with what I've said, but he's been constructive. Zack is detracting, but it's a pertinent observation that goes beyond "I don't agree, you and this suck", and I'm thinking about it. Actually, for that, I think it's the same parallels as the infantryman, whom can hurt larger units with different tools, so we probably have this covered. I also know Wes has been wanting his capital vessels to feel more fearsome, which makes the exponential raise in lethality/defense as it climbs up probably something sought after for him. If it takes a squadron of Plumerias to quickly cripple a Super Eikan heavy cruiser (assuming all shots fired connect and strike where it'd really hurt), my feeling is that balance-wise this is in a good place... at least in that respect, anyways.
And if you want to submit your own rival to this... by all means, be my guest. That approach done under that tone would be nothing other than spiteful and insulting, but If it takes you misguidedly feeling adversarial towards me for other people to get off thier butts and finally do something to help themselves, I'll count it as a small price to pay. Then again, you'd still need to get approved at the end, just like this is.
...and
even if this here gets approval, I'm willing to bet Doshii will weight very heavily in the
optional nature of the DR guidelines to pacify concerns raised, and people will house rule it up the wazzoo - which is expected behavior anyways; or Doshii will not approve since he'd want - based on feedback - adjustments done to this before it sees prime time. Then would be a proper juncture to overhaul this.
In the meantime, this is what I want submitted.
