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Rejected Submission RKBR-02A 'SBR' Standard Battle Rifle

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Corporations are not (usually) factions. What faction is this for? Where is the manufacturer based?
 
Manufacturer is in the article and its more of an independent thing despite the construction of the weapon being in Nepleslia (IE the NSMC/IPG/Nep Government do not use this weapon).
 
Okay. So it's from Nepleslia. So we just need @Koenig808 to swing by and give it a thumbs up. I don't see any reason it shouldn't be approved by him.
 
Uhmm why? This isnt intended for the nepleslian faction (ie its not through NAM and it isn't for the IPG, NSMC, or NSN) its no more complicated then when Zen, Origin, or geshrinari makes something and those never require nepleslian or yammie FM approval.
 
Actually Geshrinari products get approval, either by me if someone else submits, or Wes if its my submission.
 
I'd imagine that would apply to items that are going to see direct SAOY use and other assorted things that would affect Yamatai but this isn't something intended directly for Nepleslia, about the only link it has is merely being based (on a small scale) in a nepleslian city. If merely adding a bit to that setting causes this issue of requring the Nep FM to peek at everything I make through them I may have to move them...

Edit addition: I mean.. this wasn't an issue for the company, the first rifle, and the pistol.
 
when Origin was new and directly on yamataian territory, I had to get its stuff fm approved as well. At least until RK establishes itself firmly like Origin did, this should be considered normal. Don't fret about it, Arieg.
 
Artwork for this gun appears to be lifted from a re-drawing the submitter did for my previously submitted rifle that I expressly denied.

Unless this is remedied, DENIED.
 
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The final product of the submitter, based on an FAL, has eight major areas that are lifted from the submitter's unauthorized redraw of my M3. Submitter was NOT given permission to use redraw for another submission.

List of issues:

A: Clearly lifted from original design.

B: Magazine well is of the AR-type, whereas the FAL that this design is supposedly based on is a more shallow magazine well. Trigger group and magazine catch are lifted from the re-draw of the original M3, as the FAL pictured does not have the same trigger group, magwell or magazine retention system (button for redraw vs. paddle release for FAL that submitter's design is supposedly designed off of. Furthermore, magazine button is in exact same place as original M3)

C: Left side charging handle from original M3 design, re-drawn without permission, then used for current submission being looked at. Charging handle on FAL is on middle of receiver ("body" of the gun) and situated between the front of the magazine and rear of the handguard, as opposed to the M3, which rides above. Current submission uses M3 handle which rides further up top.

D: Entire upper receiver ("upper half of the gun body") appears copied.

E: Adjustable tab-style gas system copied

F: Gas block design copied

G: Ejection port on right of receiver on M3, Redraw, and Final product. FAL has no ejection port on left side.

H: Angled contour of two-piece hand guard copied.

What I am arguing is that, despite repeated rebukes, submitter continued to use a unwanted redraw of a current submission, ending up with a submission that is essentially a copy of the original M3.

What I am asking for is for the design to be resubmitted with artwork that DOES NOT lift key components as described above.

This is my only, albeit major, concern.
 
A. It is a hinged stock design that folds from the back of the gun's receiver on both the original M3, the unauthorized redraw (which one could argue doesn't even factor in since its not part of SARP), this design is also used on the Bushmaster ACR, FN SCAR, CZ-805, at this point hinging the folding stock on the end of the receiver seems to be general practice in the real world. However the SBR's receiver extends outward slightly before hinging unlike the M3 and other designs and also has an extending capability we do not see in the M3 or it's redraw.

B. Rostov and Kriegler already have an AR-15 pattern rifle in production and if you would look closer at the final pattern you will notice there is no magazine release on the right side of the weapon, it is intended for the user to grasp the larger 7.62x51mm magazines with their left hands and press the drop free AR style release with their thumb. This was a personal preference over AK style tab releases.

C. The SBR employs an AK style charging handle directly attached the bolt, simple, hard to break, easy to use, much like the actual SG550 (which is a westernized copy of the AK pattern). The M3 seems to employ a top mounted G36 style charging handle set in something akin to the SCAR's forward charging handle.

D. Its roughly similiar in shape, then again so are several other rifles however where yours stops at the hinge point of the stock mine continues, same with the forward area ahead of the bolt.

E. Mines a dial style system with similiar structure to the FN-SCAR, yours is something directly taken from the SiG SG rifle.

F. See above (although one could argue the M3's standard art makes it hard to determine).

G. The actually does have a right side ejection port, that image is reversed and there for the sake of showing shape and scale.

H. I'm assuming the canon art is a direct copy of the 552 Commando's handguard which means its not even close to what the SBR employs. http://www.thespecialistsltd.com/files/Replica_SIG_552_Swat.jpg

In the end there are a few things to consider, one the redraw while similar to the standard M3 art is a unique piece one which I made and which you chose not to use, as a result anything that is not directly related to the M3 (the stock, the handguard, the barrel, the pistol grip) are mine to use on other systems as I see fit because they barely match the M3 any closer then any other rifle in real life. One could also note due to the basic style of the M3's art (the lack of many details beyond basic shape) it fits and looks like a wide variety of possibilities if one looks hard enough.

Edit: As an additional note I'm going to add a change of location for said corporation to an unincorporated colony somewhere (possibly in Yugumo)
 
In that image of the guns side by side I don't consider any of them problematically similar. To me, the redraw looks nothing like the Kampfer art. The shape is different. The proportions are different. The colors are different. Most of the details are different. There's nothing particularly unique I notice about any of the designs. The only reason I could even know the redraw was one was because it was labeled that way. Most importantly, as Arieg has pointed out in the post above, the gun features which Kampfer is objecting to are all generic gun real-world features which he has no claim on. So if you think Arieg has somehow "stolen" the art by making this new design, I disagree completely and urge you to reconsider your decision not to approve it, @Koenig808.
 
The year of design needs clarification. It says both YE 34 and YE 35. Also please fix the "it's" errors. Please specify the material the barrel is made out of.
 
Unfortunately I've decided to stop pursuing this design and the company, as a result this weapon's article has been removed from the wiki. The company's other rifle, the RKAR-01 has also been removed (it was not in use by any characters) and the company itself has been rendered into a stub, the RKP-10 is linked to it however since several characters are employing it and will be left active.
 
But you had FM approval and we were about to approve it... *facepalm*

I really dislike these "self-purge" cycles you do, where you go around deleting stuff.
 
I don't know if I'm allowed to speak on this thread cause I'm not part of the NTSE crew. But Arieg I think you should pick your company back up. I personally liked how their weapons had the appearance we all would recognize as a gun in a market where a considerable number of the weapons either go futuristic or old school in appearance. (not all of course) I don't have much experience here but in RPs I've been in through my 10 years of RP I've been the idea guy in all most all of them, and you can never bat a thousand. Great things aren't born without some resistance. You got some resistance here, but you pushed through it, turning back now would make the effort you spent not worth it.

However whatever you decide to do The RKP-10 will remain a primary weapon for my character until it can't be used anymore.
 
Since arieg has deleted the pages, and has closed the company, I will be rejecting this.
 
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