Star-system moving?

I've been putting some thought into the possibility of moving an entire star system if the situation calls for it (Reason: Lor, and its wonderful little mess). Are there any suggestions as to a method of how to manage this task?

So far, the best method I can figure is to use a number of Legacy Cannons to teleport the star and surrounding system to safety (Somewhere north). Unfortunately, there are conflicting discriptions to the Legacy Cannons found on various starships. Such conflicts lead me to believe that some Legacy Cannons just blow things up, while others have the ability to move planets... is this assumption accurate?

If this assumption is accurate, would it be feasible for the Lorath to obtain a (few) Legacy Cannon(s) which would be able to move their star and star system?

That would take quite a few cannons to pull off but it is doable.

Ralfaris was moved just before the jaq'tah could destroy it once. They had a massive set of FTL drives to do it with but it is essentally the same thing. Instead of moving the star they simply put the planet in orbit around another star. If you don't get enough technology to move the star you could just move the planets.

Hrm, I don't know if a legacy cannon could do it, but there are some extremely large (but extremely rare) hyperspace systems out there. Hoshi no Iori, for example, has a hyperspace system, and it's the size of a small solar system -- it's never been tested, though (but it should work, hopefully, if the dice roll lucky). Yamatai's Empress Palace also has a fold drive large enough to (again, theoretically, and with a good die roll) move the planet. Systems this big are generally not safe for anything but one-time emergency use, but since that's what you need, I'd say it's possible to try.

Of course the best thing for the planet is to avoid such emergencies in the first place. If the Lorath do (and it'd take a long time) build a massive fold system, I'll be assigning it a percentage chart for success, failure, and critical failure (very bad) based on construction quality (read: how well roleplayed its construction is).

Move all your shit to Jun instead of moving a planet?

Doshii Jun said:

Move all your shit to Jun instead of moving a planet?

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I think the point would be to get away from the Mishhu, not to go to them.

Here's a nice trick. Get a black-hole... I don't care HOW.... use that mother to move the star, accelerating gradualy.... The star will move the planets...

EVENTUALY you'll get there

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Am I the only one that sees the physics nightmare of Moving a star?

The gravity of stars effect eachother not to mention the paths and gravity of that area of space. Moving one unaturaly could have conciquences beyond calculation.

The displacement factor would be unbeliveable partly because sapce isnt as "empty" as one might think even between stars. If one calculation is off it could result in the system tearing itself apart. Or the factors of changing the gravity of other stars effecting the system. The distance of systems in sarp is pretty danmed close.

massive hyperspace drive or not moving an entire star is kinda insane.

Legacy cannons owned by the Star Army cannot do this task due to several limiting issues such as range and that volume of matter transpositioned. Unless you can break off pieces of Lor and try to assemble them back as a puzzle back on destination(which would likely just spell the planet's destruction anyways) it couldn't be done with multiple units 'taking bites'.

You would not be able to move things around for a great distance in any acceptable span of time, even if you got a Star Fortress on the job. Note that the Scorpio-class Quantum Detonators only destroy stuff, not transpose it -- so this wouldn't work (not to mention I totally oppose the 10 light year range as being utterly ludicrous. When Wes will tone it down to 3 ly or less, we can't talk about this again).

Note that the Mishhuvurthyar could do this with the transposition array on their new flagship, since their effective range is 1.5 light years and they can affect/grab up to a 1 AU volume inside.

Of course, moving a planet proper doesn't mean there won't be large repercussions. Same for moving the star. It won't be the same ever. If you want to evacuate Lor, it'd be much more practical to relocate the people. With no one around for the Mishhu to kill, it's doubtful the Mishhu would bother wiping out the system.

I thought that he was considering using the transposition cannons to teliport the star and everything. If enough were used in concert all at the same time then you wouldn't need to break things up to transport port them?

That would require an enormous number of transposition cannons to be put into concert. Even if youhave quantum computers doing the job, you still get potential irregularities from FTL communication lag time, unplanned malfunctions and such.

And anyways, even if they did, the Legacy cannons the Star Army has don't have the range to really allow for a migration. Even if you put a hundred vessels on that, the star and the planet probably wouldn't be out of the nebula even after a month and repeated attempt just beg for a malfunction, an error or a mishhu attack in the middle of it.

Well, I do figure it would be one hell of an undertaking, but the best bet for my idea comes in the form of the Ayame class.

https://wiki.stararmy.com/doku.php?id=ay ... nsposition

Lets say, theoreticly, if a handful of Ayame classes could be scrounged up, would it be possible, through the grace of PANTHEON's capabilities, to execute a mass teleport of the entire star system without a sizable chance of the place going up in smoke?

I'm thinking, due to the "Alternate Function"'s unlimited range, it would be possible to use PANTHEON to target a lovely little empty area of space, and have the multiple Ayame teleport the system accross Yamataian space all in one single swoop. Of course, there would be gravity distortions which may alter the course of Lor days, and maybe even cause some tidal abnormalities... but I figure it is better than becoming breeding stock.

Breeding stock?

Heh.

You're being optimistic.

So what would be the problem with the plan above?

Timing issues seems like a cop out excuse because if they really wanted to they could solve that problem easily enough though either timing modifications or modifications in the weapons themselves to make the effect slower to fully happen so being off by a nothingith of a second won't hurt the over all goal.

Honestly?

Mishhu interference.

Assuring the safety of the transfer itself would likely take a lot of starships and the process would involve using the Legacy cannons for an extended amount of time (while they are coordinating, etc...). Since fold emissions are easily detectable, you could get the Mishhu there faster than sharks scenting blood in the water.

All that would be needed wold be a few of the new scoutships to materialize in the area and take potshots at the mostly aimless Ayames and then what you'd get is a giant trainwreck - especially if the Black Spiral gets involved and mess with the PANTHEON network itself like done in an earlier Sakura mission (mission 5, actually).

So there is nothing actually wrong with the plan? The IC implimentation would just require some finess.

Besides, I doubt the fold cannons would be needed for very long anyways once the actual moving of stuff has started.

There is everything wrong with the plan!

It's very risky - assuming the Star Army could even get that many Ayame cruisers on site (or would want to).

Feasability doesn't make this doable.

The technical aspects could be done with enough prep time and only one use of the guns in concert would be required. Provided Doc can showcase his RP skills enough the operation should be fairly safe.

he also wouldn't need the cruisers, he would only need the guns and then a tug of some sort to put the weapons into place.

The logistics would be crazy go nuts but even if someone detects what they are doing when the guns are fired they wouldn't have enough time to get there and screw things up once the shot has been fired.

It's still assuming a lot though:

• You need to actually get your hands on the transposition weapons and a proper power source.
  
• You probably need to build up a proper array and prepare that logistical/astrometrical nightmare.
  
• You need to get the YSE to actually finance this in favor of just using the ships they have already bought for the lorath to instead make a mass exodus to another planet. How is Lor to get the transposition weapons otherwise?
  
• Transposition weapons cannot be used by the Lorath without going against the treaty they have with the YSE - meaning they'd have to get the YSE (and the SAoY's) support for this one way or the other... and the SAoY likely needs those Transposition weapons to fight the mishhu instead of doubling back to help the Lorath whom wanted their own defense force over getting them to help ~and~ whom have already asked for ships.

This just has so many chances of going wrong that the population's transplantation to another far away system would be a lot more feasible.

In sum: Doc's RP skills are not at question; the Star Army probably won't waste time and resources doing this.

You can't just use transposition cannons right next to one another. At the edge of the area of effect there's going to be some crazy spacetime tears and such. If you were doing a planet, you'd have to get the whole thing inside a single area of effect in order for you not to unleash terrible destruction. Not to mention anywhere a system was moved FROM would be a really, really messed up area of space.

The last time millions of transposition cannons were simultaneously fired at a target, it caused a temporal event that altered the timeline (delaying the NDI's development by 300 years).