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Approved Submission Power Armor Shield Module

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Hmmm I won't even consider myself close to being experienced with the rules of submissions but shoudn't this shield have its own DR data?


You also say stacking shields increases their strength, assuming diminishing returns does apply in SARP what would be the effective maximum strength of the "stacked" modules?
 
This is similar to the Combined Field System article for Yamatai: Its a part that is supposed to go on or in something. The exact strength of the shield is determined by how the part is integrated with the thing it is being added to.

Ultimately, the DR value would go in the power armor or vehicle's article since it is that vehicle's shield. This article along with things like power plant articles would just be the parts that make up those shields.

This helps by us being able to link back to this so we can say 'this is what the shield does' without having to rewrite how the shields work for every new article.
 
0, since the module would need to be integrated into some physical thing before it can work properly.

Just like how engines need transmissions, wheels, ect.
 
Zack, in the normal operation of a single shield module, what is the DR of the barrier?

You also say that stacking four modules can get you to have armor-level barriers-what is the DR of that? Because, the last time I remember checking, power armors have different strengths in barriers, armor, et cetera.

If this barrier module has its DR listed in its page, especially for stacking, then making a new article that uses these modules can simply come down to:
Barriers: 4x PASM (DR data)
 
It would be entirely dependent on the armor article. You've got a lot to consider when it comes to stopping force, including how much area you'd need to cover as well as how much energy you can put into each area.

We're not going to get as specific as exactly how many watts or newtons of force are being put out by each individual thing.
 
But you don't. All you need is a table with one row that's size, and one row of shield tier, and in the boxes put how many modules you need for that size of an object to have an X tier shield.
 
Zack said:
We're not going to get as specific as exactly how many watts or newtons of force are being put out by each individual thing.
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I never asked for watts and newtons, I asked for DR. And regardless of what power source you use on a module the device itself has a certain limit befor it could literally break down from too much energy. So what would the effective maximum DR be of this barrier?
 
Alright the one rule I DO know is that you aren't allowed to use another submission to validate your own.

On a personal note, ESPECIALLY if you're comparing to Yamatai.
EDIT: Meta ninja'd me on the rule part but still, it's not even an answer to any of the questions...


...Even then, the CFS is not a module dedicated to creating barriers, it is a large amount of functions placed together. In fact, the special attack a CFS can use under its own strength has DR data assigned to it, albeit slightly outdated.
 
I personally think Zack has a point. He's describing a piece of technology that allows an unit equipped with it to have barrier capability. Actual barrier potency is going to have more to do with the unit and how the barrier tech was set up on it, than on the tech itself.

As the creator of DRv3, I'd recommend the DR requirement be waived. Future submissions using this piece of gear will have said DR value anyways.

The appearance text does imply this type of system is meant to be fielded on Power Armor and Mecha, so it's application likely goes from Light Armor to Light Mecha protection (context doesn't seem to indicate going for the larger vehicles the way I read it). If I'm wrong, then perhaps its intended application should be made more clear.
 
I wanted to leave how high this goes open. I don't think its suitable for starship-grade shields but there are certainly a range of smaller vehicles that this could be used on.

The Gumdrop is what I had in mind for a vehicle that could use this submission. Its supposed to be a lightly armored APC so having power armor grade shields makes a lot of sense.

The U1 would also be a candidate for adapting this submission but its also kinda big. However I don't think we need to address all situations where this submission could possibly be used. Since it is a part, usage would need to be addressed on a case by case basis which I'm just fine with. This isn't intended to be something you can just stick on something else to get a force field.
 
I also agree it feels a bit redundant. From what I understood, they seemed to want something like this:

Average number of units: | Protection granted:
3 | Light power armor (Tier 4)
4 | Medium power armor (Tier 5)
6| Heavy power armor (Tier 6)
12| Light Mecha (Tier 7)
24| Medium Mecha (Tier 8)
36| Heavy Mecha (Tier 9)

...or somesuch.
 
A CFS unit is a general purpose technology. It doesn't "stack" with added units.

I agree with Fred that the unit in question could be a general purpose piece of technology, but the stacking of the unit is problematic. It'd be better if the unit was just one unit installed, then rated accordingly.

Stacking leads to min-maxing.
 
Doshii Jun said:
Stacking leads to min-maxing.
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I don't think we need to be so overly concerned over this.

DRv3 is pretty clear: if you have barrier protection, you have at most the protection appropriate for the defensive tier your unit belongs to.

It's much the same as the conformal barrier emitters I made for the Mindy II-D. It's a system made to establish that the unit has barrier protection. It's not unreasonable to fish for redundancy so that what enables your barrier to exist can cope with some systemic damage before being unable to function.

I do think "several dozen" is an absurb level of redundancy, though.
 
Fred said:
I also agree it feels a bit redundant. From what I understood, they seemed to want something like this:

Average number of units: | Protection granted:
3 | Light power armor (Tier 4)
4 | Medium power armor (Tier 5)
6| Heavy power armor (Tier 6)
12| Light Mecha (Tier 7)
24| Medium Mecha (Tier 8)
36| Heavy Mecha (Tier 9)

...or somesuch.
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Yeah that's what I was pretty much asking for! Sorry if it wasn't coming out that way you guys ^~^;
 
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