Legix
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Well, you're not young now.How was I supposed to remember a 2007 discussion?! \o/ *flail arms*
I was young and stupid back then. >_>
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Well, you're not young now.How was I supposed to remember a 2007 discussion?! \o/ *flail arms*
I was young and stupid back then. >_>
put the claws away @FrostJaeger people are actually trying to better the system.Pointing out things like the Submission Rules and the Military Buildup Limitations - especially when a submission reviewer "accidentally" misses some of them - is "unproductive," "heckling," and "unnecessary," @CadetNewb?
You stop your back biting too.He's not even willing to listen and try to be mature, Frost.
Cadet, you've posted in a locked thread before. Seems like NTSE mods have mod powers on the NTSE board, dude. So what are you talking about when you say NTSE mods don't have the power to moderate threads?
This is just silly. Not only does this limit input from the public severely, but it forces the NTSE to act faster and gives them a lack of tools to address something that could be missed. 10 days isn't even long. Most submissions spend a week or more in the NTSE because there's quite a bit to read and then go through (especially in your submissions).On top of the heckling and the unneeded addition of other posters in these threads there has also been a few issues concerning the treatment and conduct of submissions by NTSE mods and concerned parties I'd like to address with the following suggestions.
- Posting a Concern and Not Responding Afterward - Happens quite a bit and I find it distressing because one can never assume they've satisfied the challenge due to the lack of response and it can also effect other mods down the road if the thread was not properly claimed. As such I suggest that once a response (tagging the user who placed the concern) is posted by the submitter the concerned party has three days to respond before the matter is considered closed and satisfied. Additionally once this window is closed this concern can not be raised to prevent a submissions approval.
- One Issue Posting - Another issue I've noticed is a mod's habit of single posting issues, this can be tiresome for the submitter as well as draw out the review process due to each post and response cycle taking days in some cases. My suggestion is that the reviewer make one big pass preferably as their 'I'm claiming this' post and then be granted a limited number of other issue posts (3 or 4?). Afterwards it should be expected that the article should be approved as anything beyond any more responses could be considered a delaying tactic by the mod.
- Time Between Posts - While there is a submission rot rule as far as a submitter being required to post within a certain time frame there is no such requirement on NTSE mods, as such we have seen cases of submissions taking up to a month due to long delays between posting and getting a response. As such I think an NTSE mod should have a four day timer to respond to a submitter (assuming the above rule is set to 3 responses beyond the first post it gives a maximum of 16 days to review once the submitter has responded to the first issue post.). If the submitter has responded and the reviewer fails to respond the article should go on an automatic 3 day approval timer. If the reviewer responds within those three days on some issue or another this should be considered the last chance and if the four day timer is tripped a second time the submission should be automatically approved.
- Unclaimed Submissions - On submission to the NTSE the article should be in a ready to approve state... thus if any NTSE mod fails to claim and review it within say.... ten days? It should be automatically approved.
Those quotes aren't a healthy way to approach it. It's akin to going 'their fake concerns lol' and 'their stupid cries of bias lol'. And as assuming as it is, that is how it comes off when you quote it. Just say the words instead of make it come off that way.The problem to blocking and ignoring someone - anyone really - is that onlookers who don't understand the situation will be misinformed or otherwise get the wrong impression if I, the NTSE mod, do not address their 'concerns'. Yes, I could do that, but in the long run, it's not good for the site either, as those with 'concerns' can then easily make accusations of 'bias'. Furthering the problem would be the misinformed, who would start believing such claims if the mod/reviewer does not reply.
Having to constantly deal with the hecklers in the audience is a pain, and ignoring them is not a good option either.
This is by far the best thing proposed so far, but I genuinely see this as something akin to how a few people skirted GM/FM duties recently. What's to stop someone from just doing two submissions a month and space them out to avoid doing the same amount of work as someone who is dedicated to their job? This is almost like a way to allow someone to half-ass and maintain their position, versus combat the issues that have been highlighted. It does lightly address the third one, though, by making the max someone can be forced to wait two weeks... but some things should be in the approval process for that period based on both the rate of which some fixes get made and the discussion that arises in certain submissions (such as ones outlining a history change or something that could affect multiple factions like a new high-tech entry or a new field into the setting). But it definitely is a step-up from the shorter-paced options before.Additionally a little tack on, if a NTSE mod has not posted or finished a review in the ntse forum in the previous thirty days they are placed on probation. Effectively they must start and complete a review in the next two weeks. If they fail to do so they will lose their position and not be eligible for at least one year. Bare in mind this only applies to those who have not posted breaks or life events in said forum.
Because I got something submitted fast, I'm suddenly invalidated? Are you serious?Additionally any further comments you have about review times and favoritism should be ignored including public discussion on a thread, https://stararmy.com/roleplay-forum/index.php?threads/corporation-ken-tec.60778/ it was on the ntse for less then a few hours @Legix.
But I'm Bob from the foundation board who has previously been the editor of several sections, is still the editor of several sections, was here through the paper's rough years and helped it become what it is, and has had more current editors show an appreciation for his help than do not.And I don't need Bob from Accounting constantly offering his scholarly opinion. He's not the reporter. He ain't the editor.