Commissar Farzi — Today at 11:31 AM
Hey, dumb question for our resident veterans: have you ever been told to mop the grass till it's clean or some other dumb task because someone fucked up?
HarperMadi — Today at 12:22 PM
Yeah
Yuuki — Today at 12:44 PM
sweep, mop, strip wax from floor, sweep, mop, wax floor, sweep, mop, strip wax from floor, sweep mop, wax the floor, sweep mop
Megabirb — Today at 12:54 PM
I feel like that would be terrible for the floor
At least if it's wood flooring
Yuuki — Today at 1:22 PM
always tile
tile tile and more tile
aitoseigi — Today at 1:25 PM
Strip and wax, for when you need busy work but don't want the mess of painting the wall for the nth time
Sosina — Today at 1:28 PM
I believe it's called Getting smoked... or getting a "beating" basically dumb pointless task to do as punishment, usually as a result of someone else mucking up big time (or even small time... just enough to get a higher ups ire)
Yuuki — Today at 1:35 PM
getting smoked is having to do exercise until you're exhausted
sweeping the motor pool line for the seventy fifth time that week type stuff, i don't think I ever heard it have an actual name for it
as a concept
issue out every single weapon in the armory, clean them all, check every single weapon back into the armory, issue out every single weapon in the armory, clean them all...
that was another one
every check in is an inspection
every check out and in is paperwork
Foeliner — Today at 1:38 PM
From what I know, isn't getting smoked more of an Army/Marine thing? The Army vets I know have mentioned it, but neither of the active-duty Air Force guys I know have.
(Of course, they're both mechanics, not 11B, so that might also have something to do with it.)
Yuuki — Today at 1:39 PM
11B is Army infantry code
Foeliner — Today at 1:39 PM
Yeah but it's the only grunt code I know so take it or leave it :V
Yuuki — Today at 1:40 PM
the AF doesn't have grunts at all
Foeliner — Today at 1:40 PM
What would even be the closest equivalent, security forces?
Yuuki — Today at 1:40 PM
also note Yuuki's Army knowledge is almost 20 years old at most recent and Yuuki spent her whole time in a Fort Bragg Airborne and Special Operations bubble
Yuuki — Today at 1:40 PM
nah those are MPs
they're actual police
Foeliner — Today at 1:40 PM
Oh, huh
Yuuki — Today at 1:40 PM
grunts don't have a day job except mowing grass and sweeping the motor pool
like infantry, artillery, cavalry
bcause their actual job is dangerous and expensive
special operations is given the budget so they do their jobs as training all the time, but are also deployed actually doing their jobs way more
anything remotely grunty in the air force is probably actually special operations
like pararescue and stuff
Foeliner — Today at 1:42 PM
PJs are more ninjas than grunts though
Yuuki — Today at 1:42 PM
not having grunts is almost their whole deal
Foeliner — Today at 1:42 PM
oh good lord, Discord's having a stroke on my end
Yuuki — Today at 1:43 PM
PRs are kinda like an SF medic in the army without all the actual SF stuff like teaching it to locals and dealing with livestock and stuff
a lot of them go to army schools like RIP
as much as the army special operations in me doesn't like to admit it, special operations what they are if you can call them anything
lol
Yuuki — Today at 1:44 PM
but to me special operations is like... setting up loudspeakers and radio stations and photoshopping anti-opium flyers and having tea with village elders dressed as locals
but that's just how spec ops is
basically marketing/advertising/sales for me lol
Foeliner — Today at 1:45 PM
huh, I always figured that was psyops (if there's even a difference)
something something, hearts and minds
Yuuki — Today at 1:45 PM
that's what I am talking about and PSYOPs are special operations
^^
the army has a special operations force specifically called "Special Forces" and that gets conflated
There are more or less three special operations roles in the US Army
Special Forces
Civil Affairs
Psychological Operations
the marines have (I think, this is after my time info)
Force Recon
Raiders
Civil Affairs
Psychological Operations
?
Air force has at least
Pararescue
Combat Controllers
navy has some people who like to talk about what they did even though they aren't supposed to, and their main skill is being really good swimmers or something like that
Yuuki — Today at 1:48 PM
there's also Combat Applications Group/Operational Detachment Delta/whatever they are calling it now it changes a lot, but that's TECHNICALLY Special Forces
Foeliner — Today at 1:49 PM
Oh, CA is classified as special operations? I had no idea
Yuuki — Today at 1:49 PM
yes
all go to same school
JFK Special Warfare Center
lived across the street from it for years, lol
Foeliner — Today at 1:49 PM
I'm learning so much today
Yuuki — Today at 1:50 PM
basically the main thing I did was Provinical Reconstruction in Afghanistan which means "Make them like us instead of Iran"
Foeliner — Today at 1:51 PM
is Delta different from SF? I never totally understood the division between them and the Green Berets
discord please stop dying I'm begging you
Foeliner — Today at 1:52 PM
Ah, like the "building schools and roads" sort of stuff, or?
Yuuki — Today at 1:53 PM
yah,digging wells, etc
spoiler-not-spoiler local boss man pocketed money, contractors pocketed money, etc etc. so everything cost a lot and went slow and wasn't necessarily very good
the main thing i did was hang out with the people from the state dept or agriculture dept or whatever and babysit them while they did their thing
and be relied on to know enough Dari to order mujahadeen and workers around and tell crowds to stay back
Foeliner — Today at 1:59 PM
for some reason, the first thing my mind went to was "isn't this just the peace corps with some extra steps", lol
Yuuki — Today at 2:05 PM
they are off on their own but they have sf tab and green beret
but they have their own unit area and stuff in a different part of bragg way out this backroad
the main goal of SF is training local forces and leading or supporting them on their missions
the main goal of delta is waxing dudes
like the main point of SEAL is underwater demolitions
but the main point of SEAL Team 6 is waxing dudes
Foeliner — Today at 2:09 PM
nod nod
Yuuki — Today at 2:10 PM
from what i understand delta basically just spends all day at the range with their unlimited ammo budget until their fingers have blisters
and when they go somewhere, they come right back
"Regular" sf usually stays deployed a long time because they build rapport with the locals etc
constant short direct action missions vs long complex people-centric missions
SF are basically combat teachers
so they have to be gone long enough to train and lead the people
delta is go here, kill this dude, go to this other place, kill this other dude
but they're technically part of special forces
Wes — Today at 2:24 PM
Yes
Also the Army does stuff without anyone messing up, like raking the dirt, painting rocks
Yuuki — Today at 2:30 PM
if they didn't people in combat arms jobs would just be spending 7 months out of the year hanging out in their barracks playing playstation
see there's no janitors or handymen or groundskeepers in the Army
that's all rotating duties, especially your combat arms ones
Commissar Farzi — Today at 3:12 PM
Damn-just sounds like an exercise in frustration.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:29 PM
at least a good 75% of our active duty military is between the ages of 19-25. Still young, still full of hormones and only barely restrained by indoctrinated training and the big stick of seinor NCOs and junior officers who are too few in number to ride herd on them.
So you have essentially a bunch of young men with too much energy and not enough outlets for that energy so you need to keep them busy otherwise they will get in trouble. And due to their age that trouble almost always includes bad decisions with no afterthought, alcohol, young male instincts, competitive drive, and sometimes all of the above.
So you keep them on task whenver and however you can. Most of the armed forces have MOS that keep them busy all day due to the fact our military is centered around 24/7 logistics even in peacetime to keep it running.
But there are some honest to god just straight 11-contract MOS who dont have any skills beyond being unleashed on anyone who touches our boats and until then you have either the choice of risking throwing them at the motor pool and hoping
@HarperMadi and her ilk dont hide the bodies or to some other task, or you chore them doing whatever the company needs from mowing lawns and sweeping parking lots to general labor or just drilling in an open field before one of them gets the idea to go wrap a dodge charger around a telephone pole or jump off the barracks roof onto a folding table.
Yuuki — Today at 3:33 PM
I remember giving my first safety briefing
lolwy
also that table match was epic
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:34 PM
Its why most officers are so spiteful when they reach at least captain because they've spent at least 10+ years dealing with like 200+ out of control marines and their daily challenge goals to get arrested, maimed, lost 500-miles from post somehow within the span of 7 hours, etc.
You get to go from wrangling them to finally being seperated from that job only for some LT to show up at your office five times a week with some incident report.
HarperMadi — Today at 3:35 PM
Why the fuck did you summon me? You wanna go to Mexico?
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:35 PM
Must have been someone else.
Yuuki — Today at 3:35 PM
why they don't let combat arms with no day jobs be on motor pool office or garage duty
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:35 PM
The navy is better about it. At least in fleet.
Your life is more regimented and you have less ability to get in trouble until you make port.
Then the marines get in more trouble than the seamen do because it gets overshadowed. Tho when you fuck up on a shift there is very little slack to the rope they drag you behind the ship with due to the stakes being that much higher.
HarperMadi — Today at 3:35 PM
lols in motorpool crucifixions being called "sent to Mexico
Yuuki — Today at 3:36 PM
lol
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:36 PM
Also theres very little acess to alcohol on a ship.
Yuuki — Today at 3:36 PM
sailor why are you hoarding potatoes
HarperMadi — Today at 3:37 PM
Madi: Vodka.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:39 PM
Ship security is like omni prescient about most issues due to how insular a ships community is. Hell one of them is going to show up just cause you're feeling down in a full tactical vest, m4a1, and jawbreaker gloves just to pass by your hatch like 6 times in the same hour.
Whereas base cops or MPs are usually 15-20 minutes away instead of just a deck bellow.
Tho that also does differ...
Smaller vessels have their own security is why. Whereas larger vessels like carriers have MAs due to the fact bigger ship and thousands of sailors require more than a couple sailors breaking up fraternization attempts.
Yuuki — Today at 3:45 PM
from what people who had seen what the rest of the army was like told me, bragg's level of crazy was more like a marine base than an army base
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 3:46 PM
But to circle back to Farzis original topic; Imagine you have sever hundred barely 2-year old, horni, exciteable, young neko on a ship and the absolute mayhem they must cause every time they stop at port for leave.
Half the crew or locals pregnant, trying to sneak port boys/girls onto the ship, local police waiting outside the ship while a tired officer has to calm them down about what one of the girls did, property damage in the thousands of KS, at least 5 neko are AWOL, one is trying to smuggle half a motorcycle piece by piece onto the ship, and at least ten of them are locked up for fighting.
Wes — Today at 3:52 PM
We should make a thread about antics bored Nekovalkyrja get into.
Soban — Today at 3:52 PM
7th Fleet NJP review board, lol
Wes — Today at 3:54 PM
Also that reminds of the time Cherry took a lewd photo of her coworker, and then printed his "johnson" closeups as ten thousand stickers and placed them everywhere in the Eucharis such as behind access panels, under consoles, below floor plates, between starship armor sections, and so on, and they're still being found to this day. It's rumored this is why Hanako keeps the Eucharis as her personal ship instead of having it be in the Star Army museum because it's not visitor safe.
raz — Today at 3:56 PM
Yeah, I feel like most Neko "antics" are more in that jokey vein than wanton destruction of the local community.
They're still women, albeit genetically engineered gynoids. Not hormonal 18 year old men.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:16 PM
I think it would prob be about the same vein.
Sure you're born with certain thoughts and indoctrinated in training but you are still young and cooped up in billet or ship most of your time with limited actual personal freedom.
Stepping off a ship into a port call and getting some hypoethetical distance from your immediet superiors and your duties allows a certain lax in the daily overbearing military life of doing everything as ordered, at attention, and on duty.
They are still young and lacking in life experience and adventures outside of those few months after birth and the limited times they can get time away from NCOs. They arent mindless unfeeling machines after all and no amount of indoctrination really stops them from cutting loose in the same way any army has in history~
Hell, there are prob entire industries of scalpers just kept up on buisness by selling little knickknacks and mementos to young neko on leave finally at port and able to spend some of their pay on things that arent provided to them~
Foeliner — Today at 4:19 PM
this immediately made me think about the Taliban body pillows
Wes — Today at 4:20 PM
I like the idea of character inventories full of mementos lol. I should have a character like the guy in Saving Private Ryan who collects dirt from the different countries he's in.
But from different worlds.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:21 PM
Look, young miss! A rare luck totem you can only find here on Fujiko! One of only seven. You seem like quite the hero miss I bet you've fought hard; You've got pleanty of pluck but how about LUCK! I shouldnt do this but just for you only 22KS
Wes — Today at 4:22 PM
This makes me think of Captain Picard's Risian Hor'gahn.
raz — Today at 4:22 PM
I don't really think Neko "cut loose in the same way any army has in history." They're not like bumpkins. They're techno sci-fi Yamataians.
Foeliner — Today at 4:22 PM
(some guy, before he went off to Afghanistan, bought ten of some spicy Sans body pillows from one of the vendors at a con I frequent and hid them around his base)
(no one else ever found them and he never took them out when the US pulled out)
(so now the Taliban has them)
Foeliner — Today at 4:23 PM
apparently they posted a picture of said bodypillows to some social media decrying the degeneracy of the West
so the Taliban, in fact, at some point, owned ten body pillows of Sans Undertale with his dick out
Soban — Today at 4:24 PM
I'm not sure it's a bumpkin thing so much as a 'person who has been other places' thing.
Foeliner — Today at 4:24 PM
reality can be stranger than fiction
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:24 PM
They are space viking anime women, Infaliable and with the same emotions as anyone else. And every military has done the same in history. The only exception is the R-word and pillaging and killing of locals when doing it has cut down dramatically since the 1900s.
Its not a bad thing. They are human with their emotions and not emotionless. They have wants and dreams and desires like everyone else
Wes — Today at 4:25 PM
Hanako herself collected NMX hats and stuff and opened a little museum of them.
Soban — Today at 4:25 PM
To me it's much more interesting to see how basic human drives express themselves in a different setting than to act like the basic human drives don't exist for some people.
raz — Today at 4:25 PM
Just the idea that Neko are going to come back to their ship pregnant and sneak in bedwarmers seems very off-base for established culture, and is more based in your experiences than any RP that has ever happened.
Soban — Today at 4:27 PM
I don't know about pregnant (as Nekos can turn that on or off at will) but sneaking in bedwarmers seems like something any horny might do.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:27 PM
Ive yet to come back pregnant~
Also culture is not a gestalt hivemind. It dictates the people as a whole in their ideals. Yamatai is benevolant and cares for its people but it doesnt mean a neko wont go into town for a drink and punch you in the mouth for bad mouthing her crew.
Each neko can swear, get arrested, and make bad descisions. It doesnt make yamatai less of an idealistic utopia for its troops to be human in their thinking.
raz — Today at 4:29 PM
I just think your take on it seems more like a headcanon than based in the fictionally dictated ideals. No need to try and convince me, you can agree to disagree I guess.
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:30 PM
I know everyone hates the in real life comparisons but it is the thousands of years of examples each and every one of us has as a basis to draw examples from because it happened.
Everything from star trek to the brothers karamazov are based off this. And its why the neko are cute little elf-eared anime girls with a senate and empress and not genderless mushrooms with a hive mind and no concept of what cheese is~
Yuuki — Today at 4:44 PM
that and because Emperor-then-Professor Uesu liked cute little elf-eared anime girls
Charmaylarg Dufrain — Today at 4:46 PM
I mean I think its all one thing we could agree we would all do; Make trillions of daughters and fill our empire with them.
Mine would be Moth girls tho. Cause cute and fluffy and soft but also holy shit terrifying at the same time.
raz — Today at 4:50 PM
Right. He created Neko to be beautiful. I think they have less in common with 18 year old men than has been stated. That doesn't remove their personality, but I do not think the real life paralell to young military men is there very strongly based on both IC history and actual RP.
I feel like Uesu considers his creations to be art, even with some imperfections. And it's pretty clear how he thinks they should behave.
But with the increasing Minkan presence and gender diversity in the Star Army itself, there is probably more overlap. I just find it odd and unbelievable to think that Neko act like 18-25 year old men.
Megabirb — Today at 5:32 PM
Maybe not in thier entirety. But sneaking motorcycle parts etc. aboard, bar room fun I could see
Mikodimus — Today at 5:46 PM
Reads about neko coming back pregnant...Welp Thad...ya just checked that one off on my list. In my defense, it wasn't planned :huhu: