I understand breakaways, extremist remnant groups, etc., But
@Gallant has a point. From what I know, Elysia was completely absorbed to Yamatai. Why would a fourth empire arise if it would be immediately threatened by the largest empire in the area?
Agreed - given how fast
Yamataian ships go, it seems to me like they would have wanted to put a
lot more distance between themselves and the nation that wiped the floor with them
four times in a row.
This sub-faction seems very, very, very bold for an unsupported government-in-exile. I'd find it more plausible if they found help, rather than bootstrapped themselves, or if they were more cautious and in hiding. Otherwise it seems strange that their lives aren't so consumed by gunboat diplomacy and resource-gathering that they don't have much time left over to be credible antagonists.
Clarify, does the 'True Elysians' restriction include Caelisolans? If so, it'd also be useful to clarify what their status is in this new-new-Elysian society, if not as citizens. It's not clear if Plebeians have higher status here than elsewhere, either, since the word 'Elysian' is used every time.
Again, agreed. Where (or from whom) did they get the resources necessary to support themselves? There's also little to no concrete information on many,
many areas:
- What is the structure of their government? Of their military?
- Where are the technology articles for their military equipment (or equipment in general)?
- What civilian/military starships/installations do they have?
- Where is the article detailing the characteristics of the Purgatory system? Where is the article detailing the characteristics of their homeworld?
- Who is in charge of the Senate?
- What is their economy like?
- As @Navian stated, what is the status (legal, social, political, economical, et cetera) of Plebeians and Caelisolans?
These are but a mere handful of the things that in my opinion should have been completed prior to submission - and I would strongly recommend that you consult the original
Elysian Celestial Empire page for guidance regarding the multiple sections that need to be expanded before I grant my approval as
Faction Manager.
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There's a lot of things that are still unexplained that are troubling me, though. Elysian society has never, ever been 'for Elysians', since Elysians have been traditionally divided between the Patricians and Plebieans, the former of which hold a great sense of noblesse oblige toward the latter, and the latter who've traditionally served the former unquestioningly. That makes it hard to understand how they'd form a real 'nationalist movement', it seems it would require a thorough transformation of their social structure into one where all the all the old divisions are gone and have been replaced with new ones, French Revolution-style.
This article explains their new political structure and how they interact with other races, but it doesn't say anything about the new social structure of these Elysians themselves. It just keeps referring to them all as 'Elysians', as if we should already know what that means. It doesn't seem to be talking about old school Patricians and Plebeians, or the new system with Caelisolans in the middle. Instead it seems to be some sort of even newer group that's formed a more homogenous identity out of all or most of the old Elysian social classes. Sort of like a bunch of 'unfettered' ex-nobles and low-born Nietzschian academics performing a very grand experiment? That's my best guess at an explanation for this...
Once again, I agree - and once again, these questions need to be concretely answered before I approve of this submission.
The population of this group however is 500 million. It's not a 'cell' It's actually a fairly large nation. The Elysian empire's population is ambiguous, but 500million is not a small chunk at all. In August Yamatai hit 10billion. That means this would literally be 5% Yamatai's population. And this is supposed to have gone unnoticed and started as an extremist faction that is rather counter to the culture it started in? Where did these 500million people come from?
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But from what I'm reading of this article it doesn't even really make sense, not only is their founding too far back, with the previous FMs not having made any steps for this previously(and stuff was being done with the Elysians between then and now) But also this is marked as an 'USO' article. This just looks like an out of character power grab to me.
Yet again, agreed on all points - except that the founding isn't far back
enough, in my opinion. 4 years is barely enough time to establish a colony and get it up and running, much less research, develop, and manufacture an entire fleet's worth of warships - and 500 million individuals is simply too many. Although
@raz and
@Wes would have to weigh in upon this, I'm fairly certain that were they so active (and heavily-populated),
Star Army Intelligence would have identified them as a threat and sent in a fleet or two to exterminatus the planet - and you can be sure that they would have noticed even a
fifth of that number emigrating from
Elysia, which would have only increased their (already-high) chances of being detected by
SAINT.
Essentially, this - in my humble opinion - is a submission that simply isn't ready to be reviewed yet. A
lot more information needs to be provided by
@Zack, and an equal number of questions need to be answered - which is why
in its current state I am
disapproving this submission as
Elysia's Faction Manager.
