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ArsenicJohn
Is there any harm in doing a 1-month trial of this system?
This was actually a solution we talked about in VC the other night. Personally, I'd prefer it if I received all the main issues at once or at least a large chunk. The "speed" of the NTSE is that people "nitpick" one or two things at a time. Some say it's to be "nice", but I don't need someone to be nice. I need my things approved :Lc@Wes there is a great boon to having players able to comment on post, and that is that no one person really knows all of SARP, not the NTSE not the submitter and not the players. But if you have players able to comment they can give helpful input that otherwise might've been missed.
Everyone is saying that people commenting causes drama. But that's not the case, what causes the drama is the lack of moderation of people commenting. If there was reasonable moderation of behaviors in the NTSE, there would be no drama and we could keep the helpful input of players.
Maybe to help facilitate the 'speed' of the submission review, instead of having the same points repeated over and over. The Reviewer can make a "Problems list" that list all the problems with the article in a simplified bulleted form, and they can post it every so often so that people can see it and not complain about something that's already been complained about, just it hasn't gotten around to being fixed yet cause there's other stuff being fixed.
You rang?I don't need someone to be nice. I need my things approved :Lc
Addendum to my posts:Solely writing wiki articles shouldn't be a way to gain OOC "power" on the site.
You can't say that because we've only really tried one method. Not every method that allows player comments doesn't work.End of the day.... the method that involves players or those whom are not involved with the faction the submission effects does not work and has created this situation. It has effectively made the NTSE as it is now not fit for purpose, additionally it has created an unbalanced and unfair workload on what is effectively only two NTSE mods (Fred and Cadet) due to the others only occasionally selecting and doing reviews.
So do we talk about how Cadet had let Frost's submissions sit out? Or mine? Or really all the others?End of the day.... the method that involves players or those whom are not involved with the faction the submission effects does not work and has created this situation. It has effectively made the NTSE as it is now not fit for purpose, additionally it has created an unbalanced and unfair workload on what is effectively only two NTSE mods (Fred and Cadet) due to the others only occasionally selecting and doing reviews.
Meta had a good point in this, too. It's what I've said about FMs multiple times as well: content is culture. Weapons and guns are fine... but there's a reason why I took the time to invest in the Delsaurians recently, made a Civilian Tech corporation that sells LEGITIMATE CIVILIAN GEAR, and have been handling things like Awards for @Ametheliana and @Gunhand4171 in Nepleslia. Creating culture and thicc'ness to the setting is far more important than the like 30 weapons, modules, and ship articles that got passed the last few months. It was part of the discussion earlier, even.Meta basically saying smart stuff and complimenting me like 50 times because I have to be delusional.
A wise man (my band director) once said:(sorry to @META_mahn who has been picking up speed
And with actual moderation being done that wouldn't happen. Because players doing that would be punishedThe issue is players who post everytime until the submission is rejected or given up on or passed after extreme durress.
As much as I like the idea of player feedback, things have gone sideways and I feel like the Staff and Mods should be the only ones that deal with new setting submissions. I have gotten more private character reviews lately for whatever reason and I like keeping things drama free.I have personally given my approval of the Asteria page, to include the latest version where there's a couple hundred Iroma mentioned on it, and also the parts about there being some leftover Lorath in Asteria. The page is what's canon. Since all of these species have already been on Asura III or in its immediate area, historically, I don't think Asteria is making any overzealous claims or stealing anything, as Raz suggested. In fact, it's excellent that now people who want to play Lorath or Iroma have an additional option for factions.
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Regarding the topic at hand, issues in the Setting Submissions forum (a.k.a. NTSE), I was recently reading a thread on RPG-D in which the vast majority of respondents to a topic about public reviews of characters and submissions agreed that allowing non-staffers to comment on threads was a recipe for extreme drama. This appears to be at least somewhat true in our case, although it's notable only a handful of the same people repeatedly show up in my reports panel. I've been thinking that maybe the player right about being able to comment on new stuff being proposed to the setting may not be helping us as intended, and that maybe new setting submissions should be reviewed by staff alone or even privately. I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
As much as I like the idea of player feedback, things have gone sideways and I feel like the Staff and Mods should be the only ones that deal with new setting submissions. I have gotten more private character reviews lately for whatever reason and I like keeping things drama free.
With all respect Frost, you weren't here ten years ago, so I am not sure how you can have any clue why it failed. And changing nothing isn't exactly trying something new either.
'cept we are saying something should change Arsenic. A lot of you in favor of removing player input are acting like we haven't explicitly said that we do want things to change, and actually given solutions that we think will work. We just don't think removing player input is the answer.With all respect Frost, you weren't here ten years ago, so I am not sure how you can have any clue why it failed. And changing nothing isn't exactly trying something new either.
With all respect, it's not comforting that people who were here back then and were involved in the mess are pushing for it. Especially when less extreme options are available to try out and not end up screwing up community involvement.With all respect Frost, you weren't here ten years ago, so I am not sure how you can have any clue why it failed. And changing nothing isn't exactly trying something new either.
I don't really get why people are doing private character reviews... that... seems silly. And it definitely isn't related to this. It actually seems completely ridiculous that people are privately submitting characters when I'm pretty sure there hasn't really been much outrage there in months.As much as I like the idea of player feedback, things have gone sideways and I feel like the Staff and Mods should be the only ones that deal with new setting submissions. I have gotten more private character reviews lately for whatever reason and I like keeping things drama free.
Then how, @Kim, would Faction Managers be able to weigh in submissions that affect their faction?