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OOC Battlefield Education: My Martial Arts Are Completely Interfering With My School Romantic Comedy
- Thread starter Reynolds
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Oh I get it. It's a figure of speech ace, if there was one at least 
How? It was all one action
Sure it does. Spitting in his face doesn't require her arms, so she could have done both at the exact same time. Took the strike to the stomach, armour plates soaked the blow, spat as she moved her arms up to grab his armour, and threw him. The spitting if in DnD terms, would be a "Free Action"
I'm calling shinanigans
I don't care what Rei is, she would have had to know before Zoia even spat that she was going to do it and unless she can see in the future, she wouldn't be able to stop Zoia from spitting in Williams face with Zoia's muzzle about 2 feet away from Williams face take two or three inches.
Further more, Reynolds specifically said "In extremem cases" and "Immediate bodily injury"
Givens Zoia's past fights, Rei should be more concerned with Zoia removing limbs or eating stomachs than her spitting in his face. William as several minutes ((of pain)) before he completely loses his eyesight, and minutes more before there is potentially irreversible damage.
Eating though to his brain? After being misted through the air? It's not concentrated enough to do that. Yeah, it's caustic as fuck when it's in their mouth and whatever is beig disolved is encased in whatever it is but her spittig in his face is by no means anywhere ear that caustic. All william would be dealing with right away is a really bad case of "Soap in the eyes"
Wiliam has more than enough time to call the fight. Zoia essentially used a DOT on him. Damage over time if anyone is wondering. Whoever told Ame that Zoia's saliva is immediately lethal was wrong, and it should be delegated to me questions on the Vekimen. I don't care what Veteran of the site says what, I am one of the few players who are actually playing the Vekimen.
Furthermore, if you read the Vekimens page then you would know that a bite that breaks skin isn't even completely lethal without medical attention. Yeah, there is a /chance/ of it being lethal, but given the weapons being used there are certainly more pressing matters. Like dismemberment and disembowelment. Not spit that might kill him.
I don't care what Rei is, she would have had to know before Zoia even spat that she was going to do it and unless she can see in the future, she wouldn't be able to stop Zoia from spitting in Williams face with Zoia's muzzle about 2 feet away from Williams face take two or three inches.
Further more, Reynolds specifically said "In extremem cases" and "Immediate bodily injury"
Givens Zoia's past fights, Rei should be more concerned with Zoia removing limbs or eating stomachs than her spitting in his face. William as several minutes ((of pain)) before he completely loses his eyesight, and minutes more before there is potentially irreversible damage.
Eating though to his brain? After being misted through the air? It's not concentrated enough to do that. Yeah, it's caustic as fuck when it's in their mouth and whatever is beig disolved is encased in whatever it is but her spittig in his face is by no means anywhere ear that caustic. All william would be dealing with right away is a really bad case of "Soap in the eyes"
Wiliam has more than enough time to call the fight. Zoia essentially used a DOT on him. Damage over time if anyone is wondering. Whoever told Ame that Zoia's saliva is immediately lethal was wrong, and it should be delegated to me questions on the Vekimen. I don't care what Veteran of the site says what, I am one of the few players who are actually playing the Vekimen.
Furthermore, if you read the Vekimens page then you would know that a bite that breaks skin isn't even completely lethal without medical attention. Yeah, there is a /chance/ of it being lethal, but given the weapons being used there are certainly more pressing matters. Like dismemberment and disembowelment. Not spit that might kill him.
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Hi, I'm Gallant, and I'm going to interrupt this for a moment upon request.
I've spoken with Edto about this after reviewing some of what's occurred here, along with several other players.
I've had three separate chat rooms try to get my opinion on what's happening here, so I'm going to go ahead and pitch in with my opinion in your OOC, even if it's somewhat unwanted, or unsolicited in an official sense. It's my opinion, after observation, given in the most sincere spirit of helpfulness, so please don't take it as criticism, anger, or annoyance. I'm trying to propose a way to solve this in an equitable way, because it seems to have suddenly become "the topic" in SARP over the past couple of days.
There are no codified rules on PVP that I can find, except "GM's Discretion", so I'm going to summarize some of the player's rights as they pertain to plots, as I understand them.
I am not an admin on this site. I am an old player, and a GM. So what I've written above, I realize, doesn't carry the weight that @Wes, or @Doshii Jun, or @Fred, or any of the current SARP admins would carry. But it's advice, sincere advice, to this plot, its players, and the GMs.
I've been listening to this drama now for a few days and I'm growing sick of people reaching outside the plot to solve their problems with each other. You may, or may not be grown adults, but at the very least you need to remember that you are all attempting to have fun with each other - and that not everybody is perfect, or perfectly knowledgable. Mistakes will happen. Errors will be made. This does not mean that you should scream about it in general chat, as though people are idiots; it means you should calm down, sit back, and remember that there are real people on the other side of the monitor who, likely, feel just as strongly about their abilities as you do.
It's rare to see a PvP plot on SARP, and this is the exact reason why they fail so often; just remember, you're trying to have fun with each other. That's why we're playing.
I've spoken with Edto about this after reviewing some of what's occurred here, along with several other players.
I've had three separate chat rooms try to get my opinion on what's happening here, so I'm going to go ahead and pitch in with my opinion in your OOC, even if it's somewhat unwanted, or unsolicited in an official sense. It's my opinion, after observation, given in the most sincere spirit of helpfulness, so please don't take it as criticism, anger, or annoyance. I'm trying to propose a way to solve this in an equitable way, because it seems to have suddenly become "the topic" in SARP over the past couple of days.
There are no codified rules on PVP that I can find, except "GM's Discretion", so I'm going to summarize some of the player's rights as they pertain to plots, as I understand them.
- Never assume your attack connects. The right of the player to detail their characters is sancrosanct except in the case of that right being ceded to a GM, as is commonly the case, or under voluntary circumstances. Other players cannot dictate damage to other people's characters, up to and including attacks that are logically inevitable. Even when you know the attack should connect, the other player does reserve the right to dodge it, if it's within their abilities. This was one of Edto's errors.
- Tagging onto the above; it's possible that you don't KNOW what the other person is capable of. The owner of an approved species, but not an approved 'faction', still reserves the FM's right to dictate the abilities of the aforementioned approved species; they reserve that, whether they're a joinable faction or not. Edto does have the right to say what his acid does.
- Acid is corrosive, and while the damage caused by that acid can be interpreted by the GM (I do this all the damn time for dramatic effect). Edto does, 'legally', get to say what that acid does. And he would be right. Another player, or GM, 'guessing' what it might do, could be right or could be wrong, but must ultimately understand that there's no way for their characters to know. If a Ketsurui Samurai has an ability that would counteract that, as Raz mentions is the case, that can come into RP, but you should still try in good faith to be true to the intention of the other player(s).
- Ultimately we run plots for the enjoyment of the players in those plots. When there are errors, we do not vent them in general chat. Praise in public. Correct in private. If there are problems with your players, or between those players, it is incumbent upon you, as the GM's and players, to solve those problems in an equitable way, or at the very least, to manage your own plot adequately enough that those problems do not bleed into the RP. We write with each other in good faith with the assumption that we are both having, and creating fun. When there is a problem, we come together to solve it, rather than pointing fingers, making accusations, and getting angry enough to TALK IN CAPITAL LETTERS IN GENERAL CHAT.
I am not an admin on this site. I am an old player, and a GM. So what I've written above, I realize, doesn't carry the weight that @Wes, or @Doshii Jun, or @Fred, or any of the current SARP admins would carry. But it's advice, sincere advice, to this plot, its players, and the GMs.
I've been listening to this drama now for a few days and I'm growing sick of people reaching outside the plot to solve their problems with each other. You may, or may not be grown adults, but at the very least you need to remember that you are all attempting to have fun with each other - and that not everybody is perfect, or perfectly knowledgable. Mistakes will happen. Errors will be made. This does not mean that you should scream about it in general chat, as though people are idiots; it means you should calm down, sit back, and remember that there are real people on the other side of the monitor who, likely, feel just as strongly about their abilities as you do.
It's rare to see a PvP plot on SARP, and this is the exact reason why they fail so often; just remember, you're trying to have fun with each other. That's why we're playing.
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I have corrected my post to leave all actions regarding Zoia's direct physical contact with William.
* Zoia did not "Grab" Williams armour. She tried too.
Rei's "ability" to just come in and shut down Zoia's attack under the impession that it meets Reynolds requirements for Rei to step in I feel is wrong. It is something my character CAN do, and I was never told rules for what Zoia can and cannot do. So far all I know is that if Zoia tries the over the top tactics such as limb removal and disembowlment, then Rei will stop her. I am fine with that and accept this as a possibility. The post given in reaction to Zoia's attack without asking me directly what it COULD possibly do is an assumption I feel should be rectified immediately.
* Zoia did not "Grab" Williams armour. She tried too.
Rei's "ability" to just come in and shut down Zoia's attack under the impession that it meets Reynolds requirements for Rei to step in I feel is wrong. It is something my character CAN do, and I was never told rules for what Zoia can and cannot do. So far all I know is that if Zoia tries the over the top tactics such as limb removal and disembowlment, then Rei will stop her. I am fine with that and accept this as a possibility. The post given in reaction to Zoia's attack without asking me directly what it COULD possibly do is an assumption I feel should be rectified immediately.
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From what I was told from several people that were talking to Edto, the spit was extremely detrimental. As a Co and as the referee, I'm not going to let that happen to a player when I was asked specifically to jump in during such an event.
I could go down the list of what you said and how skewed it is, but I'll just say that I used caps when I said not to do this to me AGAIN and to leave it to Reynolds in the same sentence.
I could go down the list of what you said and how skewed it is, but I'll just say that I used caps when I said not to do this to me AGAIN and to leave it to Reynolds in the same sentence.
Fred
Retired Staff
Since I was namecalled:
Gallant brings up excellent points. It's good advice to follow.
This said, I don't think we admins nose in situations like this because - until it really gets out of hand - it's in the GM's purview to manage. Until the GM asks for assistance, until a member solicitates us, we're kind of hands off until it spills over. Which it kind of did - but I'm pretty satisfied with Gallant's input.
All I can do here is echo the encouragement that everyone involved to be respectful and try to have a good time. That's what you're here for, right?
Gallant brings up excellent points. It's good advice to follow.
This said, I don't think we admins nose in situations like this because - until it really gets out of hand - it's in the GM's purview to manage. Until the GM asks for assistance, until a member solicitates us, we're kind of hands off until it spills over. Which it kind of did - but I'm pretty satisfied with Gallant's input.
All I can do here is echo the encouragement that everyone involved to be respectful and try to have a good time. That's what you're here for, right?
Navian
Inactive Member
I do recall the meat on Zoia's skewer was melting less than half a minute after she'd spat it out, even though she'd been using her toothpaste and it had only just then been starting to wear off. That seems pretty concerning to get in the eyes.
Edto gets to say how it works, but it hasn't been consistent. (Then again, I'm in a D&D game where trees explode like matchsticks and stone walls like they're made of sugar glass, while the same attacks only bruise living beings. I guess that can happen in anime, too.)
When we started all this, Edto said instead of determine who would win the fight beforehand we should figure it out as we go. It's still the first turn, and all I've figured out is that Edto is overdoing it and would rather argue and try to win than contribute to everyone else's fun.
The edit didn't change the final line, which already declares the result... That last sentence could be deleted, too, it does nothing but limit the other players.
@Gallant: Reynolds is the GM and hasn't read the thread since before the post that prompted this, so I don't think it's fair to criticize him.
Edto gets to say how it works, but it hasn't been consistent. (Then again, I'm in a D&D game where trees explode like matchsticks and stone walls like they're made of sugar glass, while the same attacks only bruise living beings. I guess that can happen in anime, too.)
When we started all this, Edto said instead of determine who would win the fight beforehand we should figure it out as we go. It's still the first turn, and all I've figured out is that Edto is overdoing it and would rather argue and try to win than contribute to everyone else's fun.
The edit didn't change the final line, which already declares the result... That last sentence could be deleted, too, it does nothing but limit the other players.
@Gallant: Reynolds is the GM and hasn't read the thread since before the post that prompted this, so I don't think it's fair to criticize him.
I have no problem listening to the parties involved in a dispute. My digital door always is open.
That said (with brevity): The GM must first step in. I ask not to be hailed before that, by anyone.
Speed of RP. Things can change for the sake of story telling, things can change to be more viable in a PVP fight.
I made my vote very clear that I would like to do this T1 style, but that was merely my /vote/ at the end of the day. Before anyone could say anything, Reynolds specifically said what he said in the quote I am going to put into a spoiler below this point so people can see. So at the very end of the day, it was reynolds over all GM decision to have this played out in a way that could result like this.
This final line has everything to do with my characters position, and nothing to do with my attacks. This is specified by saying "At the very least" meaning that William could literally ignore everything Zoia did physicaly to him, but he would still be between Sarena and Zoia. I could have easily jumped over, moved around, or a whole manner of different things. It was a "Movement Action" give you play DnD. No matter how these strings of attacks work out.
To be perfectly honest, I was against this whole thing being a "Competition" from the get go. I wanted to try and work things out with all you guys, and I even mentioned that to Gunhand, having a polite conversation about the pro's con's and "what if's" of this fight, and I tried to with you but you don't participate in conversation me and try to avoid to at all costs from my impression. Your choice completely, but that is not my fault.
This whole thing was inherently, but not by intention, built to pit us against each other. This is a PVP Tournament with a Prize at the end of it. I would have said something officially, but honestly I didn't think my opinion in that matter would change anything. Someone would tell me that this is how the plot is going to go over, and I either participate in it or I do not. My character would participate, so I am participating. My character would want to win, so "I want to win". We all do. Everyone in this wants to win. I can also tell people inherently want me to lose.
So, to demonstrate that, I will forfeit the fight and remove Zoia from the plot at my earliest opportunity if that would solve these problems.
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