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Alliance of the Black Sun

We'll be fine Wes. Thank you for the concern though. Like we've said in the past, we would have rather things turned out differently, but this is how things worked out. As for the long term viability of the faction, this is kind of why we're building around a core of established players and experienced GMs. This is literally the second day of our planning this, so things are a little bumpy right now, but as far as I've heard, other factions have had similar problems in the past. We'll work through it.
 
I appreciate the concern Wes, but given how things have turned out, this is the only option left for us. We've made our stance clear, and aren't backing down. Perhaps more importantly though, our long-term goal is to eventually pick up and take into the Alliance many of the smaller factions that are waning to help give them a second wind.
 
I have similar concerns over the name "Black Star" kind of overlaps with the "Star Army" and the "Black Claw" and as Zack mentioned, there's already a faction that uses a black star, which is Nepleslia. Side note: And I wouldn't suggest a red star either because it's so connected with IRL communism. I spoke with Arieg about that the other day.
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But also I'm worried about the site being big enough to support all these new factions springing up, as the overall amount of players hasn't really grown since the time when there were only a few factions around. Balkanization of the plots, I worry, is trapping characters in factions where they can't easily leave a plot when they end or die out, like what happened with the Neshaten, and players are creating more characters in general, so they can put a foot in each faction, causing more posting responsibilities, which in turn may lead to burnout.

I think great factions great because they can work out their problems instead of everyone splitting off to do their own thing, thinking they can do better...because the endgame of that sort of thinking is everyone running their own little faction, factions that are weak because they don't have a sufficient amount of people running their workings. It's a classic "too many chiefs, not enough indians," scenario. And those type of factions in SARP have a proven history of dying as soon as the core creators become inactive (Abwehrans, UOC, Neshaten, Freespacers, Iroma, etc). Factions ending isn't necessarily bad if their story has been told and the RP was fun and has a conclusion, but in these examples they had players abandoned in the middle of unfinished RPs.

I would like to address this concern directly and as politely as possible, since it's a concern that I feel that this website shares communally; it's not just Wes. Over the past few days, I have been half parts infuriated, and half parts mortified, at the reaction to what I might as well just confirm is #Nepexit, to reach the hip, culturally-now folk.

First, there's an assumption in what you just wrote; it's the assumption that the website as it currently stands isn't divided into these Balkan states already. The mainchat is the haunt of the USO Organization and they have made that their vetting ground for new players. From what I have gathered over several months of observation, this is why most of us stay away from it, in third party channels like the Skype channels I keep active for my plots, Junpu and Scythe. It's impossible to exist for such extreme lengths of time in one place, and not have a few people that you don't like, or who don't like you, and lately it feels as though there's been no mercy, no courtesy, and no quarter given. That's why I stay out of the Mainchat, and that's how those states form behind the scenes.

Second, this is not a weak faction. We are approximately 12-14 strong, if the roll call is to be believed. History revisionists - lets' just be blunt here, they exist on this website and don't know what they're talking about and the term is scarily accurate - love to try to downplay the stuff we've done, the ability we had, and the players we're entertaining, but any objective observation would reveal that it's all a complete load. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, we were Nepleslia. That Ten-year long faction you're talking about here was us. What you're looking at, now, when you stare at the Nepleslia faction subforum, is a new faction with new players and new leadership, and you have elected to keep it that way, which is your decision. Nepleslia, right now, wants to bring in the fresh air, the new players, the rest of it - and we say, fine. But we don't want that, didn't want that, wanted our vision of it to stay, and we lost. Again, fine.

But that doesn't mean that we're quitting the website, throwing in the towel, or that we're ever going to go back to being led by people who purposefully undervalued and demonized us.

I admit wrongdoing in spearheading the effort to exit Nepleslia. But my wrongdoing is in not letting the other people with more investment stand up first and write that vitrol for themselves. I only joined this last year, but Cadet has been around far longer, and for a long time he was the only running plot in Nepleslia. People who say otherwise are frankly lying through their teeth, or trying to simply repeat something often enough that the new players and the impressionable believe it like gospel. It's a patented, tried and true method to screw with people, and well, it's worked. Look at how dedicated they happen to be.

As far as the BSA goes, it's difficult to describe the feeling of liberation that I got when, finally, you shared your final ruling - it's over. It's dead. It's done. No more fighting, no more politics, no more kowtowing. The BSA is our faction. It's not a balkanization, it's us finally getting the chance to write our visions, and have them both used and respected, and I would highly appreciate it if people would quit spreading this idea that we're out to screw all other factions.

If we wanted to screw other factions we'd have specifically made our own starmap and placed it so far off the map that we might as well have been the north, east, or southern version of USO.

We are not that. Rather, we enjoy the setting, enjoy Yamatai - I was, and still am, a Yamataian GM. We enjoyed Nepleslia. Between Cadet and I, we've a long history of interacting with almost every single setting element on this website, and trust me when I say that we've enjoyed them. We love the little third parties. I am super in love with the Gartagens, and the Vekimen have a lot of promise. Rather than balkanizing and saying "we refuse we refuse" to interact with everyone, by contrast what we want to do is we want to take the best of what we've seen, from Yamatai, from Nepleslia, from all of these other factions, and we want to make our own story with it.

I have been on this website since 06, and when we quit Nepleslia, I realized something; for eleven years, I have wanted to make my own mark on this website, somehow. I have been a player through some of the hardest times of my life. I've been on this website longer than I've been in the service, and through two stints at college. This 'clique' that people are so derisive of - these are my friends, my confidants, and my internet family. I will accept no derision, no condecision, from people who have no idea what we've done or written, who can frankly can't, not even to themselves, objectively justify the urge to make claims as though our activity, our ideas, are bad for the website.

Of all the people on this website, we are the least that you have to worry about, and the faction that we create is not something that we have spontaneously decided upon 'around a couple of beers', as the saying goes. We love your website, and we want to be a well recognized part of it, and I think that's one of the highest forms of flattery that anyone, individually or communally, can offer. I realize, Wes, that you might be wary of another UOC or any of the factions that you have mentioned, but it's our intention not to go so far out on the fringe that it will be impossible for character travel to happen. We're not building a wall, here.

I wanted to make that plain to you and to everyone reading this - that's why I signed on with this concept, this idea, and why I'm in wholehearted support of it, enough that I put my face out there as the person delivering that message.
 
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I look forward to seeing where this all goes, and I think it will be cool to see the USO interact with them. However your desire to maintain the status quo within Nepalesia, and apparent outrage when change happened is somewhat unwarranted.

Nepleslia, right now, wants to bring in the fresh air, the new players, the rest of it - and we say, fine. But we don't want that, didn't want that, wanted our vision of it to stay,

I don't really agree with the way that you refused to try to find a middle ground, or the way that you criticized people and called them untrustworthy when they tried to bring in new ideas, with no prior hinting that you wanted to keep it as it was.
 
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It's fortunate that we're no longer part of Nepleslia, then.

We did in fact attempt to find a middle ground, but we did so privately. I only entered the Nepleslian scene lately, but I am aware that the other GMs had a much more worthy history of the word "trying".

Either way, it's done and it's over and none of us have any desire to continue it; I simply wished to explain my reasoning. If I've seeded accusations in there, I apologize for ruffling the feathers. It's simply the way I see, and saw, the situation at the time.
 
Well then I stand corrected. In any case however, I wish you the best of luck and look forward to interacting with the BSA in the setting.
 
If you actually want to use them as NPC enemies, allies, or as an NPC faction as well, that's on the table; one of the things we've been chatting about is the tendency of large factions to be over-protective of their assets.

Back when DocTomoe was still on the website, and I was running Star Army's 10th Fleet, he allowed me to use some of the Lorath assets as proxy-opponents during one of my previous plots, and I'd love to see more asset sharing between factions similar to that agreement. It's better than everyone existing in stark microcosm.

It's my understanding that the Vekimen currently are interacting heavily with the I'ee in a similar aspect, and there's other factions we're looking at that we could share assets with in a similar fashion.
 
I'd love to see more asset sharing between factions similar to that agreement. It's better than everyone existing in stark microcosm.

I really agree with you there, but I doubt that will happen between anything but smaller factions, since after one shot is fired on yammies being used as NPC enemies, well, RIP faction.
 
I really agree with you there, but I doubt that will happen between anything but smaller factions, since after one shot is fired on yammies being used as NPC enemies, well, RIP faction.
That's not true, and don't speak for the Yamataian faction. While ruffling Yamatai's feathers definitely has consequences, it's not an instant death sentence. That's kind of what Yamatai's military would like the other factions to believe because it helps them protect Yamatai as a deterrent. If a GM wants to use Yamatai as enemies, talk with me in the GM forum in advance and we'll see what we can work out.
 
Well, we're treading on peoples' dreams, and they tread upon ours. It's inevitable, but expected. We just sort of want to try it out as a concept to be understood and included in this faction. It will probably hurt a little bit if anything major happens to us, but we'll see how it goes. Like Wes said - GM planning forum and all that.

I'm recently making my after-ten-year debut in it myself. ;3

Also I forgot to mention this but the original suggestion was "Alliance of the Black Star" which got switched around and shortened. It's a working title, to my understanding.
 
Also I forgot to mention this but the original suggestion was "Alliance of the Black Star" which got switched around and shortened. It's a working title, to my understanding.

At this point I think it's there to stay. Also, @Wes, just to clear the air even more, when I contacted Boy Scouts it was not to negotiate any legal agreement. It was to ask questions a learn about where their rights over the initialism end, and other peoples begin. As I have found out, the actual acronym is generic. Anyone can use it. The only way we could be infringing on their rights was if we used the initialism to directly compete with BoyScouts, and we aren't selling cookies so :p

I was not trying to represent you or star army. It was the same thing I did for the Nuclear Turbine and Boeing. Find out if I, or the site, would get in trouble if we used it in the method applied to an RP site.
 
I had this big ol' thing written that addressed a lot of the blatant misrepresentations in that tl;dr post, but ya know what? It wouldn't help or be taken as the friendly correction from an outside observer who has been here long enough—longer, really, than a number of active players who can be counted on one had—to know the actual truth of it all.

So good luck! I honestly expect y'all to flourish in your own faction where you don't have to answer to anybody but the NTSE reviewers. Just don't get ahead of yourselves and RP too hard before you get wiki pages done! Would hate to see you expect something only to have our great submission mods, Doshii and Ame, shoot it down as unfeasible. If you guys put in just half of the hard work that @Zack put into USO's establishment, you'll have a fine faction worthy of its own top-level forum!
 
There really is something beautiful happening here. I wish y'all the best of luck and look forward to seeing what you come up with. It'll be rough only if you let it be. Otherwise, it may be just as difficult as many people and your worst fears think it will be or, conversely, it will be as easy as you could hope for it to be.

In the end, this isn't about politics— though I have been told that because I don't understand "site politics" I wasn't an appropriate fit for a position that my placement in led you all to leave— this is about writing and having fun. Those two things are of the utmost importance to us all, I hope, and of the utmost importance to Wes. If for a second I thought this Alliance would get in the way of my fun, I would have left. Because I'm still here despite it all, I can securely say that this will, at worst, not impede the fun to be had on the site and, at best, garner a fun atmosphere for writing and establishing the setting.

I think all of you are putting your heads together day in and day out over this— something Gunhand and I are well-versed in doing together and, therefor, something I can recognize. I can recognize when there's not just effort, but love put into something. I feel that here.

Also, Boy Scouts sell popcorn. They wouldn't want to tread on the Girl Scout's toes by selling cookies. I hope that you will take a page out of the Boy Scouts and Girls Scout's book, not the selling of food stuffs part, but the part where you know not to infringe on the hard work and dedication of another group of determined people, no matter the differences.
 
ut the part where you know not to infringe on the hard work and dedication of another group of determined people,

Can you explain the meaning behind this? Your words heavily imply that we are infringing on the hard work and dedication of the boy scouts because our alliance happens to use the same Acronym. This isn't boy scouts Ame. We rent an after school program, we are a Sci-Fi fantasy political government. I don't think anyone is going to look at the Black Sun Alliance and go "Wow, this reminds me of the Boy Scouts". If they do, then we are doing something very wrong.
 
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